THE S&G PROBABLY STILL HAS NO LICENSE TO WORK AS A THERAPST

BEFORE THE SOCIAL WORKER, MARRIAGE
AND FAMILY THERAPIST, AND MENTAL
HEALTH COUNSELOR BOARD OF INDIANA
CAUSE NO. 2008 BHSB
IN THE MATTER OF THE LICENSE OF:
MARK E. SMITH, C.S.W.
FILED
APR 0 2 ZOOS
BEFORE THE SOCIAL WORKER, MARRIAGE
AND FAMILY THERAPIST, AND MENTAL
HEALTH COUNSELOR BOARD OF INDIANA
CAUSE NO. 2008 BHSB
IN THE MATTER OF THE LICENSE OF:
MARK E. SMITH, C.S.W.
FILED
APR 0 2 ZOOS
LICENSE NUMBER: 34001845A

Iridiana Professional
I irRnsing Aggnc^
COMPLAINT
The complaint is brought against the clinical social worker license by the State of
Indiana, by counsel. Deputy Attorney General, Heather C. Kennedy, on behalf of the Office of
the Attorney General ("Petitioner"), and pursuant to Indiana Code § 25-1-7-7, Ind. Code §25-1-
5-3, Ind. Code § 25-23.6-2-8 and Ind. Code § 25-23.6-2-11, the Administrative Orders and
Procedures Act, Ind. Code § 4-21.5-3 et seq. and Ind. Code § 25-1-9-1 et. seq. and in support
alleges and states:
FACTS
1. Respondent's address on file with the Board is 13638 Elgin Drive, Carmel, IN
46032, and he is a duly licensed Clinical Social Worker in the State of Indiana having been
issued license number 34001845A.
2. At all time pertinent to this Complaint, Respondent practiced as a clinical social
worker at Family Tree Counseling ("Family Tree") in Carmel, Indiana. At the time of the
Exhibit "A"
On or about July 7, 2004, Magellan filed an Adverse Action Report against the
Respondent, in order to be maintained within The Healthcare Integrity and Protection Data Bank.
consiuner complaint. Respondent was the President and sole owner of Family Tree and has held
that position each year since.
3.
While acting as President of Family Tree, Respondent submitted all claims to
Magellan Healfli Services ("Magellan") in his name, while services were actually rendered by
other Family Tree employees.
4. On or about May 4, 2004, Respondent was notified by his insurance carrier,
Magellan, that all contracts and/or agreements with them were terminated due to: quality of care
concerns related to allowing an unlicensed therapist in Respondent's practice to treat a member
referred by Magellan, failure to adequately supervise the unlicensed provider, and submission of
claims to Magellan under Respondent's name for that treatment, when in fact Respondent's
subordinate rendered the services.

COUNT I
Respondent's conduct described above constitutes a violation of Indiana Code § 25-1-9-
4(a)(1)(B) in that the Respondent engaged in material deception in the course of professional
services or activities, as evidenced by Respondent submission of claims to Magellan for services
services were provided, to wit: 839 lAC l-3-4(b) The competent practice of social work and
clinical social work includes, acting within generally accepted ethical principles and guidelines
ethical principles include, birtare not limited to: NASW Ethics Code 3.05: Social workers should
establish and maintain billing practices that accurately reflect the nature and extent of services
provided and that identify who provided the service in the practice setting.
WHEREFORE, Petitioner demands an order against Respondent that:
1. Impose(s) the appropriate disciplinary sanction;
2. Directs Respondent to immediately pay all costs incurred in the
prosecution of this case;
3. Provides any other relief the Board deems and proper.
Respectfully submitted.
STEVE CARTER
Attorney General of Indiana
A
By:
Headier C. Kennedy
Deputy Attorney General
Attorney No.: 26317-49A
I certify that a copy of the "Complaint" has been duly served upon the Respondent listed
below, by United States mail, first-class, postage prepaid, on this
Heather C. Kennedy A

___________________________________________________________________________
CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
day of
, 2008.
Schultz & Pogue, LLP
Attn: Peter Pogue
11611 N. Meridian Street, Sixite 706
Carmel, IN 46032
Mark E. Smith
13638 Elgin Drive
Carmel, IN 46032
Deputy Attomey General
OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
Indiana Government Center South
302 West Washington Street, Fifth Floor
Indianapolis, IN 46204-2770
Telephone Number (317) 233-2351

LICENSE NUMBER: 34001845A
Iridiana Professional
I irRnsing Aggnc^
COMPLAINT
The complaint is brought against the clinical social worker license by the State of
Indiana, by counsel. Deputy Attorney General, Heather C. Kennedy, on behalf of the Office of
the Attorney General ("Petitioner"), and pursuant to Indiana Code § 25-1-7-7, Ind. Code §25-1-
5-3, Ind. Code § 25-23.6-2-8 and Ind. Code § 25-23.6-2-11, the Administrative Orders and
Procedures Act, Ind. Code § 4-21.5-3 et seq. and Ind. Code § 25-1-9-1 et. seq. and in support
alleges and states:
FACTS
1. Respondent's address on file with the Board is 13638 Elgin Drive, Carmel, IN
46032, and he is a duly licensed Clinical Social Worker in the State of Indiana having been
issued license number 34001845A.
2. At all time pertinent to this Complaint, Respondent practiced as a clinical social
worker at Family Tree Counseling ("Family Tree") in Carmel, Indiana. At the time of the
Exhibit "A"
On or about July 7, 2004, Magellan filed an Adverse Action Report against the
Respondent, in order to be maintained within The Healthcare Integrity and Protection Data Bank.
consiuner complaint. Respondent was the President and sole owner of Family Tree and has held
that position each year since.
3.
While acting as President of Family Tree, Respondent submitted all claims to
Magellan Healfli Services ("Magellan") in his name, while services were actually rendered by
other Family Tree employees.
4. On or about May 4, 2004, Respondent was notified by his insurance carrier,
Magellan, that all contracts and/or agreements with them were terminated due to: quality of care
concerns related to allowing an unlicensed therapist in Respondent's practice to treat a member
referred by Magellan, failure to adequately supervise the unlicensed provider, and submission of
claims to Magellan under Respondent's name for that treatment, when in fact Respondent's
subordinate rendered the services.

COUNT I
Respondent's conduct described above constitutes a violation of Indiana Code § 25-1-9-
4(a)(1)(B) in that the Respondent engaged in material deception in the course of professional
services or activities, as evidenced by Respondent submission of claims to Magellan for services
services were provided, to wit: 839 lAC l-3-4(b) The competent practice of social work and
clinical social work includes, acting within generally accepted ethical principles and guidelines
ethical principles include, birtare not limited to: NASW Ethics Code 3.05: Social workers should
establish and maintain billing practices that accurately reflect the nature and extent of services
provided and that identify who provided the service in the practice setting.
WHEREFORE, Petitioner demands an order against Respondent that:
1. Impose(s) the appropriate disciplinary sanction;
2. Directs Respondent to immediately pay all costs incurred in the
prosecution of this case;
3. Provides any other relief the Board deems and proper.
Respectfully submitted.
STEVE CARTER
Attorney General of Indiana
A
By:
Headier C. Kennedy
Deputy Attorney General
Attorney No.: 26317-49A
I certify that a copy of the "Complaint" has been duly served upon the Respondent listed
below, by United States mail, first-class, postage prepaid, on this
Heather C. Kennedy A

_______________________________________________________________________________
CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
day of
, 2008.
Schultz & Pogue, LLP
Attn: Peter Pogue
11611 N. Meridian Street, Sixite 706
Carmel, IN 46032
Mark E. Smith
13638 Elgin Drive
Carmel, IN 46032
Deputy Attomey General
OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
Indiana Government Center South
302 West Washington Street, Fifth Floor
Indianapolis, IN 46204-2770
Telephone Number (317) 233-2351
BEFORE THE SOCIAL WORKER,
MARRIAGE AND FAMILY
THERAPIST, AND MENTAL HEALTH
COUNSELOR BOARD
CAUSE NO. 2008 BHSB 0003
IN THE MATTER OF THE LICENSE OF )
FILED
)
MARK SMITH, LCSW
JUN 2 6 2008
LICENSE NO: 3400! 845A
Indiana Professional
Ucensin^genc^
STIPULATED FINDINGS OF FACT. STIPULATED CONCLUSIONS OF LAW.
ULTIMATE CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND ORDER
The Petitioner, the State of Indiana, by Heather C. Kennedy, Deputy Attorney
General, Division of Consumer Protection ("Petitioner"), the Respondent, Mark Smith,
LCSW ("Respondent"), and Respondent's counsel, Peter Pogue of Schultz & Pogue,
LLP, signed an Agreement that purports to resolve all issues involved in the action by the
Petitioner before the Social Worker, Marriage and Family TTierapist, and Mental Health
Counselor Board ("Board") regarding Respondent's license, and that Agreement has been
submitted to the Board for approval.
The Board, after reviewing the Agreement at the June 23, 2008 meeting, now
finds it has been entered into fairly and without fraud, duress or undue influence, and is
fair and equitable between the parties. The Board hereby incorporates the Agreement as
if fully set forth herein and approves and adopts in full the Agreement as a resolution of
this matter. The Board approved this Agreement by a vote of 5 in favor, 0 against, and 0
abstaining. Incorporated into the Agreement was the consensus of both parties to the
following Stipulated Findings of Fact, Stipulated Conclusions of Law, Ultimate
Conclusions of Law and Order. The Board, hereby issues the following Stipulated
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Respondent's address on file with the Board is <NARCOPIGS HOME>
Westfield, IN 46704 and he is a duly licensed Clinical Social Worker in the State of
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Findings of Fact, Stipulated Conclusions of Law, Ultimate Conclusions of Law and
Order:
STIPULATED FINDINGS OF FACT

Indiana having been issued license nximber 34001845A.
At all time pertinent to this Complaint, Respondent practiced as a clinical

social worker at Family Tree Counseling ("Family Tree") in Carmel, Indiana. At the
time of the consumer complaint, Respondent was the President and sole owner of Family
Tree and has held that position each year since.
While acting as President of Family Tree, Respondent submitted all claims

to Magellan Health Services ("Magellan") in his name, while services were actually
rendered by other Family Tree employees.
On or about May 4, 2004, Respondent was notified by his insurance

carrier, Magellan, that all contracts and/or agreements with them were terminated due to:
quality of care concerns related to allowing an unlicensed therapist in Respondent's
practice to treat a member referred by Magellan, failure to adequately supervise the
unlicensed provider, and submission of claims to Magellan under Respondent's name for
that treatment, when in fact Respondent's subordinate rendered the services.
On or about July 7, 2004, Magellan filed an Adverse Action Report

against the Respondent, in order to be maintained within The Healthcare Integrity and
Protection Data Bank.
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STIPULATED CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
Respondent's conduct described above constitutes a violation of Indiana

Code § 25-l-9-4(a)(l){B), in that, the Respondent engaged in material deception in the
course of professional services or activities, as evidenced by Respondent submission of
claims to Magellan for services he did not render, thus failing to maintain billing
practices consistent with the manner in which services were provided, to wit: 839 lAC 1-
3-4(b) The competent practice of social work and clinical social work includes, acting
within generally accepted ethical principles and guidelines of the profession and
maintaining an awareness of personal and professional limitations. These ethical
principles include, but are not limited to: NASW Ethics Code 3.05: Social workers
should establish and maintain billing practices that accurately reflect the nature and
extent of services provided and that identify who provided the service in the practice
setting.
ULTIMATE CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
The Respondent's failure to comply with the above referenced standards is cause
for disciplinary sanctions that may be imposed singly or in combination such as censure,
a letter of reprimand, probation, suspension, or a revocation of license, and a fine up to
the amount of $1000.00 per violation, as detailed at Indiana Code § 25-1-9-9.
ORDER
Based upon the above Stipulated Findings of Fact and Stipulated Conclusions of
Law, the Board issues the following Order:
The Board has jurisdiction over the Respondent and the subject matter in

this disciplinary action commcnced on April 2, 2008.

The parties execute this Agreement voluntarily.

Respondent and Petitioner voluntarily waive their rights to a pubHc

hearing on the Complaint and all other proceeding in this action to which either party
may be entitled by law, including judicial appeal or review.
Petitioner agrees that the terms of this Agreement will resolve any and all

outstanding claims or allegations or potential claims or allegations relating to disciplinary
action against Respondent's license for the period between April 2, 2008 and the date of
the Final Order.
Respondent has carefully read and examined this Agreement and ftilly

understands its terms and that, subject to a final order issued by the Board, this
Agreement is a final disposition of all matters and not subject to further review.
Respondent's clinical social worker license shall be placed on
6.
INDEFINITE PROBATION. Respondent may petition the Board after six (6) months
of successfully complying with his probation for withdrawal of said probation.
During the Probationary period, Respondent's license shall be governed

by the following TERMS AND CONDITIONS:
a. Respondent shall keep the Board apprised of his home address, mailing
address and residential telephone number at all times.
b. Respondent shall keep the Board apprised of his place of employment,
employment telephone number and name of his supervisor at all times.
c. Respondent shall keep the Board informed of his occupation title and
work schedule, including the number of hours worked at all times.
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d. Respondent shall provided a copy of all Board orders imposing discipline
or limiting practice to any social work employer who shall sign and return
a copy of such order to the Board within seven (7) days of employment or
receipt of this order.

e. Respondent shall be supervised by a Board approved supervisor twice a
month for the length of his probation to discuss ethics and supervision.
Said supervisor shall submit quarterly reports to the Board that
Respondent is in compliance with the Order.
f Respondent shall complete 50% of his Continuing Education
requirements, ten (10) hours for the 2008-2010 year in Category 1
supervision and billing.
g. Respondent shall make quarterly personal appearances before the Board
for the length of his probation. At each personal appearance. Respondent
shall inform the Board that he is supervising employees in accordance
with the applicable supervising statutes.
Respondent agrees to pay for a copy of the transcript of the presentation of

this Agreement to the Board.
It is further agreed that any information received by any other regulatory

agency that indicates non-compliance with the statutes or regulations regarding the
competent practice of a Clinical Social Worker or a violation of the Final Order, may
result in the State requesting an emergency suspension of Respondent's license, as well
as possible reinstatement of the initial action giving rise to this resolution, an Order to
Show Cause as may be issued by the Board, or a new cause of action being filed pursuant
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to Indiana Code § 25-l-9-4(a)(10), any or all of which could lead to additional sanctions,
up to and including a revocation of Respondent's license.
10. The Parties agree to the continuing jurisdiction of the Board.
(^(/) day of June, 2008
SO ORDERED this
SOCIAL WORKER, MARRIAGE AND FAMILY
THERAPIST, AND MENTAL HEALTH
COUNSELOR BOARD
Byf
Fn
EKecutive^irector y
mdiana Professional LiceH^ng Agency
Copies:
Mark Smith, LCSW
<NARCOPIGS HOME>
Westfield, IN 46704
SENT CERTIFIED MAIL NO.: 7006 2760 0003 4661 7414
RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED
Schultz & Pogue, LLP
Peter Pogue
520 Indiana Avenue
Indianapolis, IN 46202
SENT CERTIFIED MAIL NO.: 7006 2760 0003 4661 7421
RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED
Deputy Attorney General - Heather C. Kennedy
OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
Indiana Government Center South
302 West Washington Street, 5'*^ Floor
Indianapolis, IN 46204-2770
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BEFORE THE SOCIAL WORKER, MARRIAGE
AND FAMILY THERAPIST, AND MENTAL
HEALTH COUNSELOR BOARD OF INDIANA
CAUSE NO. 2008 BHSB 0003
IN THE MATTER OF THE LICENSE OF
)
FILED
MARK SMITH, LCSW
DEC 1 I 2008
LICENSE NUMBER; 34001845A
Indian:; Profess onal
. Lics:-sirifl Anency
RESPONDENT, MARK SMITH, LCSW'S PETITION
FOR TERMINATION OF PROBATIONARY ORDER
Respondent, Mark Smith, LCSW ("Mr. Smith"), by counsel, hereby moves the Social
Worker, Marriage and Family Therapist, and Mental Health Counselor Board of Indiana for
termination of his probation as imposed by the Stipulated Findings of Fact, Stipulated
Conclusions of Law, Ultimate Conclusions of Law and Order dated June 26, 2008. In support of
this Petition, Mr. Smith states as follows:
On June 26, 2008, the Social Worker, Marriage and Family Therapist, and Mental

Health Counselor Board of Indiana issued an Order placing Mr. Smith's clinical social worker
license on indefinite probation and during said probation, Mr. Smith's license would be governed
by the terms and conditions outlined in said Order, which included not being able to terminate
probation for a minimum of six (6) months from the date of the final Order. (See Exhibit A, p. 4,
Order, 6 and f 7, Sections a-g).
Respondent has complied with all terms and conditions of the Order of the Social

Worker, Marriage and Family Therapist, and Mental Health Counselor Board and now requests
that the Board set a hearing on the issue of whether the probationary order shall be terminated.
Mr. Smith requests that the Social Worker, Marriage and Family Therapist, and

Mental Health Counselor Board set this matter for hearing at the Board's scheduled meeting on
January 26, 2009, as that will be more than six (6) months from the date of the Board's Order
imposing disciplinary sanctions.
WHEREFORE, Mark Smith, LCSW, by counsel, respectfully requests that the Social
Worker, Marriage and Family Therapist, and Mental Heahh Counselor Board of Indiana set a
hearing to determine whether the probationary order shall be terminated, and for all other just
and proper relief
Respectfully submitted,
SCHULTZ & POGUE, LLP
y tj.
Peter nT^gue, #14631^9
Attorney for Respondent,
Mark Smith, LCSW
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CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
Service of the foregoing was made by placing a copy of the same into the United States
Mail, first class postage prepaid, this S"' day of December, 2008, to:
Heather C. Kermedy
Deputy Attorney General
Office of the Attorney General
Indiana Government Center South
302 West Washington Street, S"' Floor
Indianapolis, IN 46204
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SCHULTZ & POGUE, LLP
520 Indiana Avenue
Indianapohs, IN 46202
Phone: (317) 262-1000
Fax:(317)262-9000
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NARCOPIG IN DEEP LEGAL SHIT EVEN IN 2008. DOES ANYONE NEED TO SEE IT AGAIN OR WHATEVER. THIS WAS WHEN NARCOPIG, BY WHAT HE ADMITTED TO MY FRIEND WAS LEAVING HIS WIFE BECAUSE HE WAS HAVING SEX AFFAIRS W/2 OF HIS CLIENTS AND 1 OTHER WOMAN. IN NARCOPIG'S VIDS HE CALLS THE WOMEN WHO WERE HIS CLIENTS THAT HE WAS HAVING AFFAIRS WITH BORDERLINES, NARCS, PSYCHOPATHS AND NARCOPIG BLAMES THESE WOMEN WHO WERE HIS CLIENTS FOR HIS CAREER PROBLEMS AND HIS DIVORCE FROM HIS WIFE.
_______________________________________________________________________
BEFORE THE SOCIAL WORKER,
MARRIAGE AND FAMILY
THERAPIST, AND MENTAL HEALTH
COUNSELOR BOARD
CAUSE NO. 2008 BHSB 0003
IN THE MATTER OF THE LICENSE OF )
FILED
)
MARK SMITH, LCSW
)
JUN 2 6 2008
LICENSE NO: 34001845A
Indiana Professional
STIPULATED FINDINGS OF FACT. STIPULATED CONCLUSIONS OF LAW.
ULTIMATE CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND ORDER
The Petitioner, the State of Indiana, by Heather C. Kennedy, Deputy Attorney
G^eral, Division of Consumer Protection ("Petitioner"), the Respondent, Mark Smith,
LCSW ("Respondent"), and Re^ndent's counsel, Peter Pogue of Schultz & Pogue,
LLP, signed an Agreement that purports to resolve all issues involved in the action by the
Petitioner before the Social Worker, Marriage and Family Ther^ist, and Mental Health
Counselor Board ("Board") regarding Respondent's Hcwise, and that Agreement has been
submitted to the Board for approval.
The Board, after reviewing the Agreement at the June 23, 2008 meeting, now
finds it has been entered into fairly and without iraud, duress or undue influence, and is
fair and equitable between the parties. The Board hereby incorporates die Agreement as
if fully s^ forth herein and approves and adopts in full the Agreement as a resolution of
this matter. The Board approved this Agreement by a vote of 5 in favor, 0 against, and 0
abstaining. IncorpJorated into the Agreement was the consensus of both parties to the
following Stipulated Findings of Fact, Stipulated Conclusions of Law, Ultimate
Conclusions of Law and Order. The Board, herd?y issues the following Stipulated
E3ffl®rr
1
Respondent's address on file with the Board is <NARCOPIGS HOME>,
Westfield, IN 46704 and he is a duly licensed Clinical Social Worker in the State of
Indiana having been issued license number 34001845A.
While acting as President of Family Tree, Respondent submitted all claims
to Magellan Health Services ("Magellan") in his name, while services were actually
On or about May 4, 2004, Responda)t was notified by his insurance
carrier, Magellan, that all contracts and/or agreements with than were terminated due to:
quality of care concerns related to allowing an unlicensed therapist in Respondent's
practice to treat a member referred by Magellan, failure to adequately supervise the
unlicensed provider, and submission of claims to Magellan under Respondent's name for
that treatment, when in fact Respondent's subordinate rendered the services.
On or about July 7, 2004, Magellan filed an Adverse Action Rqx)rt
against the Respondent, in order to be maintained within The Healthcare Integrity and

Findings of Fact, Stipulated Conclusions of Law, Ultiinate Conclusions of Law and
Orden
STIPULATED FINDINGS OF FACT

2. At all time pertinent to this Complaint, Respondent practiced as a clinical
social worker at Family Tree Counseling ("Family Tree") in Carmel, Indiana. At the
time of the consumer complaint, Respondent was the President and sole owner of Family
Tree and has held that position each year since.
rendered by other Family Tree employees.
Protection Data Bank.
2

STIPULATED CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
L Respondent's conduct described above constitutes a violation of Indiana
Code § 25-l-9-4{aXl)(B), in that, the Respondent engaged in material deception in the
course of professional services or activities, as evidenced by Respondent submissioo of
claims to Magellan for services he did not render, thus failing to maintain billing
practices consistent with the manner in which services were provided, to wit; 839 lAC 1-
3-4(b) The competent practice of social work and clinical social work includes, acting
within generally accepted ethical principles and Adelines of the profession and
maintaining an awareness of personal and professional limitations. "Hiese ethical
principles include, but are not limited to; NASW Ethics Code 3.05: Social woricers
should establish and maintain billing practices that accurately reflect the nature and
extent of services provided and that identify who provided the service in the practice
setting.
ULTIMATE CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
The Respondent's failure to comply with die above referenced standards is cause
for disciplinary sanctions that may be imposed singly or in combination such as censure.
a letter of reprimand, probation, suspension, or a revocation of license, and a fine up to
the amount of $1000.00 per violation, as detailed at Indiana Code § 25-1-9-9.
ORDER
Based upon the above Stipulated Findings of Fact and Stipulated Conclusions of
Law, the Board issues the following Order:
1. The Board has jurisdiction over the Respondent and the subject matter in
this disciplinary action commenced on April 2, 2008.
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Respondent has carefully read and examined this Agreement and fiilly
understands its terms and that, subject to a final order issued by the Board, this
Agreement is a final disposition of all matters and not subject to further review.
Respondent's clinical social worker license shall be placed on
INDEFINITE PROBATION. Respondent may petition the Board after six (6) months
of successfiilly complying with his probation for withdrawal of said probation.
During the Probationary period, Respondent's license shall be governed
by the following TERMS and CONDITIONS:
a. Respondent shall keep the Board apprised of his home address, mailing
address and residential telephone number at all times.
b. Respondent shall keep the Board apprised of his place of employment,
employment telephone number and name of his supervisor at all times.
c- Respondent shall keep the Board informed of his occupation title and
work schedule, including the number of hours worked at all times.
3. The parties execute this Agreement voluntarily.
4. Respondent and Petitioner voluntarily waive their rights to a public
hearing on the Complaint and all other proceeding in this action to which eidier party
may be entitled by law, including judicial appeal or review.
5. Petitioner agrees that the terms of this Agreement will resolve any and all
outstanding claims or allegations or potential claims or allegations relating to disciplinary
action against Respondent's license for the period between April 2, 2008 and the date of
the Final Order.
6.
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d. Respondent shall provided a copy of all Board orders imposing discipline
or limiting practice to any social work employer who shall sign and return
a copy of such order to the Board within seven (7) days of employmait or
receipt of this order.
e. Respondent shall be supervised by a Board approved supervisor twice a
month for the length of his probation to discuss ethics and supervision.
Said supervisor shall submit quarterly reports to the Board that
It is fiirther agreed that any information received by any other regulatory
agency that indicates non-compliance with the statutes or regulations regarding the
competent practice of a Clinical Social Worker or a violation of the Final Order, may
result in the State requesting an emergency suspension of Respondent's license, as well
as possible reinstatement of the initial action giving rise to this resolution, an Order to
Show Cause as may be issued by the Board, or a new cause of action being filed pursuant

Respondent is in compliance with the Order.
t Respondent shall complete 50% of his Continuing Education
requirements, ten (10) hours for the 2008-2010 year in Category I
supervision and billing.
g. Respondent shall make quarterly pa:sonal appearances before the Board
for the length of his probation. At each personal appearance, Respondent
shall inform the Board that he is supervising employees in accordance
with die applicable supervising statutes.
Respondent agrees to pay for a copy of the transcript of the presentation of
8.
this Agreement to the Board.
to Indiana Code § 25-l-9-4(aX10), any or all of which could lead to additional sanctions.
up to and including a revocation of Respondent's license.
10. The Parties agree to the continuing jiirisdiction of the Board.
SO ORDERED this oK^ day of June, 2008.
SOCIAL WORKER, MARRIAGE AND FAMILY
THERAPIST, AND MENTAL HEALTH
COUNSELOR BOARD

By!
L.K
Fi
Executive^rector J
ttdiana Wofessional LiceiiSing Agency
Copies:
Mark Smith, LCSW
14164 Camden Lane
Westfield, IN 46704
SENT CERTIFIED MAIL NO.: 7006 2760 0003 4661 7414
RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED
Schultz & Pogue, LLP
Peter Pogue
520 Indiana Avenue
Indianapolis, IN 46202
SENT CERTIFIED MAIL NO.: 7006 2760 0003 4661 7421
RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED
Deputy Attorney General - Heather C. Kennedy
OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
Indiana Government Center South
302 West Washington Street, s"" Floor
Indianapolis, IN 46204-2770
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HERE'S THE FILING FROM DEC 2 2 2016

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BEFORE THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTHAND HUMAN SERVICES BOARD
CAUSE NUMBER: 2016 BHSB QCQ^
FILED
IN THE MATTER OF THE LICENSE OF
MARK E. SMITH, LCSW
LICENSE NUMBER; 34001845A (Active)
)
DEC 2 2 2016
)
Indiana Professional
Licensing Agency
ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT
The State of Indiana ("State"), by counsel. Deputy Attorney General N. Renee Gallagher,
on behalf of the Office of the Indiana Attorney General, and pursuant to Ind. Code §25-1 -7-7, Ind.
Code ch. 25-1-5, Ind. Code § 25-23.6-2-7, the Administrative Orders and Procedures Act, Ind,
Code ch. 4-21.5-3 and Ind. Code ch, 25-1-9, files its Complaint against the Social Worker license
of Mark E. Smith ("Respondenf), and in support, states the following:
FACTS
1. Respondent's address on file with the Indiana Professional Licensing Agency isl4164
Camden Lane, Carmel, Indiana 46074,
2. On June 25, 2015, Respondent is a Clinical Social Worker license ("LCSW") in
Indiana, under license number 34001845A and is currently active.
3. Respondent was employed at Family Tree Counseling Associates ("Family Tree")
located at 11350 Meridian Street, Indianapolis, Indiana where Respondent was the Director from
approximately 1989 to present except for a leave of absence from work from approximately May
22, 2015 through July 23, 2015 while he was enrolled in in-patient treatment. In his absence,
Andrew Holzman acted as Interim Director for Family Tree.
4. Respondent's leave of absence from Family Tree was precipitated by several
events.
In the letter and consumer complaint, the LCSWs provided that a former client of
Family Tree notified the LCSWs that the client had received an email from Respondent asking for
the client to file a complaint against the co-worker of Respondent's fiance. In the email, many
details and allegations are made against the co-worker, such as referring to the co-worker as a "sex
addict," and details of the affair.
receipt of the email could possibly cause a "re-traumatizing" of someone who had been in an
affair, was sex addict, or who was in a relationship affected by similar behaviors.
On July 29, 2015, the OAG received a second consumer complaint from a former
client of Respondent who alleged that, while in marriage counseling as a couple with Respondent,
On or about April 26, 2015, Respondent learned that his fiance of approximately
six or seven years was engaged in a sexual relationship with a co-worker.
6. Respondent continued to practice from April 26,2015 until approximately May 22,
2015.
On June 1, 2015, Respondent sent an email to approximately 600 or more clients
and business associates of Family Tree contained in the business' database asking that each
recipient send a written complaint to the employer of his fiance's and demand that the co-worker
be fired due to the affair Respondent learned about between Respondent's fianc6 and her co-
worker.
8. On June 15, 2015, the Office of the Indiana Attorney General ("OAG") and later
on August 6, 2015, a consumer complaint from two former Licensed Clinical Social Workers
("LCSWs") of Family Tree.
10.
The LCSWs reported this information to the OAG as an alleged acts of
unprofessional behavior, a "blatant" abuse of client information and both were concerned that
11.
Respondent hired his wife to work at Family Tree while the couple was continuing to receive
marriage counseling from Respondent.
12. In response to the two consumer complaints, dated August 18,2015 and September
6, 2015, Respondent admits to sending the June 1, 2015 email to over 600 clients, former clients
and business contacts and admits to hiring his Ms. Hall, his former client.
13. In his responses to the consumer complaints, Respondent also admits that he was
not fit to practice after learning of his fiance's affair in April 2015 however. Respondent continued
to practice until May 22, 2015.
14. Respondent, in his September 6, 2015 response, also provides that Ms. Hall is not
licensed but is an "unlicensed" intern who charges thirty (30) dollars per session and is supervised
by Respondent and another practitioner in his office, Mr. Holzman, the interim director at Family
Tree.
15. A review of licensing records at the Indiana Professional Licensing Agency for the
individuals listed as providing counseling services in Respondent's office reveals that at least four
do not have an active Indiana license to provide counseling services as a licensed social worker,
licensed mental health counselor or other license issued by the Board.
COUNT I
14. Paragraphs one (1) through fifteen (15) are incorporated by reference herein.
15. Respondent's conduct as described above constitutes a violation of Ind. Code
§25-l-9-4(a)(3) in that Respondent violated state statute or rule regulating the profession, in that.
Respondent failed to comply with 839 lAC l-3-4(b), as Respondent failed to act within the
generally accepted ethical principles and guidelines of the profession, when he engaged in a dual
relationship with a client by soliciting and then hiring the client into his practice during the
period of time Respondent was providing marriage counseling to the client/employee and her
spouse.
COUNT II
Paragraphs one (1) through fifteen (15) are incorporated by reference herein.
16.
17. Respondent's conduct as described above constitutes a violation of Ind. Code
§25-l-9-4(a)(3) in that, Respondent violated a state statute or rule regulating the profession, in
that. Respondent failed to comply with 839 lAC l-3-4(b)(6), as Respondent failed to act within
the generally accepted ethical principles and guidelines of the profession and the National
Association of Social Workers Code of Ethics and Ethical Responsibilities ("NASW") 1.06,
when he sent an email to approximately 600 or more email addresses of former and current
clients of his practice as well as business associates for his personal gain by requesting that the
recipients of the email file complaints against the co-worker who had an affair with
Respondent's fiance and referencing the affair and sexual addiction in the email.
COUNT III
18. Paragraphs one (1) through fifteen (15) are incorporated by reference herein.
19. Respondent's conduct as described above constitutes a violation of Ind. Code
§25-l-9-4(a)(3), in that, he violated 839 lAC l-3-4(b) and NASW 3.01 and NASW 5.01, when
Respondent employing and/or supervising persons who did not possess active licenses issued by
the Board to provide counseling services in Indiana.
COUNT IV
20. Paragraphs one (1) through fifteen (15) are incorporated by reference herein.
21. Respondent's conduct as described above constitutes a violation of Ind. Code
GREGORY F. ZGELLER
Attorney ^eneialM Indiana
ibW: 1 ?58-98
N. Rehee ^
Deputy y^ft^ei^General
Attorney
§25-l-9-4(a)(13), in that, Respondent assisted several persons in committing acts of practicing
without valid Indiana licenses which would be grounds for disciplinary action by the Board.
COUNT V
22. Paragraphs one (1) through fifteen (15) are incorporated by reference herein.
23. Respondent's conduct as described above constitutes a violation of Ind. Code
§25-l-9-4(a)(4)(B), in that. Respondent failed to keep abreast of current theory and professional
practice when he continued to work, although Respondent was unfit to work, and provide
counseling services during the period of April 26, 2015 through May 22, 2015.
WHEREFORE, Petitioner demands an order against the Respondent, that:
1. Imposes the appropriate disciplinary sanction;
2. Directs Respondent to immediately pay all of the cost incurred in the
prosecution of this case;
3. Directs Respondent to pay a fee of Five Dollars ($5.00) to be deposited into the
Health Records and Personal Identifying Information Protection Trust Fund
pursuant to Ind. Code § 4-6-14-10(b); and
4. Provide any other relief the Board deems just and proper.
Respectfully submitted.
ley
By:
90-49
CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
I certify that a copy of the foregoing "Administrative Complaint" has been served upon the
Respondent listed below, by United States mail, first class postage prepaid, on this 22"'' day of
December, 2016.
Mark Smith, LCSW
14164 Camden Lane
Carmel, Indiana 46074
Mike Roth
Brett Clayton
Eichhorn & Eichhorn, LLP
9101 North Meridian Road
Suite 401
Indianapolis, Indiana 46268
N./Renee Gallagher\_^
Deputy Attome5njeneral
Attorney No.v2590-4y
Indiana Government Center South, Fifth Floor
302 West Washington Street
Indianapolis, Indiana 46204-2770
Phone: (317) 234-7114
renee. gallagher@atg. in. gov?
________________________________________________________________
THE WHOLE THREAD OF EMAILS FROM EMOTION DETECTIVE STALKER HIRED BY NARCOPIG. 1ST AT THE TOP HERE IS EMOTION DETECTIVE STALKER LYING AND TRYING TO BAIT MY FRIEND WHEN THERE WAS ONLY 1 THINK EMOTION DET COULD DO IF HER BAIT HAD WORKED. IT DIDN'T. BELOW THE 1ST SAMPLES ARE THE REST OF THE EMAILS THROUGH THE TIME.

intoil <intoil@icloud.com>
SENT ON JAN 4 2017
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<MY FRIENDS NAME>, i have a request for a video for my friend's brother. Imagine that, we were talking one day and she told me about her brother, whom i never met, and about his wife, and her toxic behaviors during the Holidays, and how her family hates her, that his wife is trying to separate him from his family etc.
My friend had no clue about narcissism, that there is a name for her brother's wife's behaviors.
So... i told her about NPD, and she started doing a research online, and i gave her some links. She was very excited about it, and impressed with my knowledge. :) She felt relief that it was an actual name for this, and a lot of other people suffered from the same kind of abuse. She couldn't wait to tell her mother and father about it, and then the brother. And I was happy i could help too. The wife caused a lot of destruction in the family, and her brother is so scared he will follow all her orders and whims to appease her.
 Well, after the holidays were over we met and i asked her about her breaking the news to her brother that his wife has a mental disorder. Here's the problem, i don't think he understands what's going on with her, and wants to stay married to her. The problem is she got pregnant again and had a baby half a year ago, the third one, to keep him married to her. So three Minor children are involved.
So, i was gonna search for appropriate videos for his situation on youtube but cant find any.
I would like to ask you to think of making a video tailored to his situation, so i can give my friend the link to listen to it.
He's a complete newbie, but has experienced plenty of abuse from her, so he will identify everything you say. Really think about what to say to a guy like that, he's intelligent, in his thirties, with a young family and a toxic wife, also in her thirties. Whether to stay or divorce, and if not divorce then how to take on his toxic wife, maybe the gray rock method, etc. She told him that if he leaves she's gonna make sure he's never going to see his kids again. But she is not with money, but my friend is and his family, and they can afford a good lawyer.
I think the video should cover the basics about narcissism, the flawed loop, the lack of empathy, that its incurable, etc. And what to do with minor children, three of them. And anything you as an expert who wrote books on this topic thinks will help and is appropriate to this situation.

It's up to you, no rush whatsoever but would be nice if you could do that.
Do let me know.

Thanks, Agnes

Sent from my

Agnieszka Anna <intoil@icloud.com>

SENT ON JAN 6 2017
I know you have, this is why i requested the video from you. I didn't watch these particular videos because i dont relate, but i do have an idea about the dynamics within the family.
If there is a single one video that best fits my friend's brother's situation, that you've already made then please send me a link to it.
You see, i can't really talk to her brother directly because my friend is also my client. She has done her research but i don't know what she found. Her brother is a busy professional, not the type to hang on youtube for hours. From what i know he decided to stay in the marriage for his family. But you and i know this isn't a marriage nor a family, and in my opinion, he should leave while he is still in his thirties and find a healthy woman for him. Children will suffer less in the process, as you said, because they will be the narc's play. But he needs to understand that.
I told Lauren what his brother needs to do is start documenting all the abuse, start making videos, record conversations, etc etc.
So if there is a video of yours that speaks that to a guy in his situation, that would be great. If not, i understand. If you ever had the time to think about it, and make a custom video like this, please let me know..

Thnx, Agnes

Sent from my iPad

Agnieszka Anna <intoil@icloud.com>

SENT ON JAN 7 2017
<MY FRIENDS NAME>, you know your stuff, thank you for an extensive analysis.
I was thinking I could suggest it to Lauren that her brother contact you for paid consultation instead of a clueless expensive lawyer. It's up to them though.
I know very little about him, all I know is his wife is a low end simple narc. She's alienating him from the kids, calling him names (asshole) in front of them, basically smear campaigning him at home. She's also trying to separate him from his family, his parents and sister. She wouldn't allow him to visit during holidays.
His family has been telling him to divorce her asap for a long time.
My position here is I like Lauren, she's a great woman, and this is why I try to help, that's all. I don't know her brother besides her words.
You're right, he should do the work, but I thought maybe one correctly made video would spark his attention. There's a lot of crap out there, with incorrect advise, a lot of nonsense.
Personally I don't believe the current theory on narcissism is correct, it's an artificial concept.

Thanks <MY FRIENDS NAME> and have a great weekend.

Sent from my iPad

Agnieszka Anna <intoil@icloud.com>

SENT ON JAN 7 2017
Ok, I will give your email address to Lauren on Tuesday when I see her, and a link to your channel, and tell her you're a published author, with links to Amazon, etc. and that you're willing to have a consultation with him. And she will give it to her brother.
That's where you take it from there, it's between you and her brother.
I'll let you know on Tuesday.

Sent from my iPad

Agnieszka Anna <intoil@icloud.com>
Jan 10

to me
It looks like Jimmy S., that's his name, is completely clueless about this disorder.
From my conversation today it seems that he doesn't believe his sister, he says she just doesn't like her.
So she's going to give your info to her parents who he does believe more.
I can't tell when he's going to contact you, if at all.
Lauren really cares about her brother, and she did her research on this subject, and really was happy to get your contact, and that you're willing to consult with him, for compensation of course.
And I do believe you're the best for the job. ;)
Thanks again.

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

Emotion Detective tried to bait my friend only so she could help a perp get away w/abuse.

"emotion detective 2 months ago · Automatically held
Of course I was baiting her to give up information about herself, because I believe she is a dangerous predator. And she proved it by hurting Mark whom I warned in last year after she started her online seduction.
A super empath could never be friends with a greater narcopath - (My Friend's Name Was Here)."


1 OF THE ORIGINAL FORWARDED EMAILS ABOUT EMOTION DET TRYING TO BAIT MY FRIEND FOR 1 REASON, THE ONLY THING SHE COULD DO W/IT.

<FROM MY FRIENDS NAME TO ME>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Agnieszka Anna <intoil@icloud.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: A special request
To: <MY FRIENDS NAME, EMAIL>
I know you have, this is why i requested the video from you. I didn't watch these particular videos because i dont relate, but i do have an idea about the dynamics within the family.
If there is a single one video that best fits my friend's brother's situation, that you've already made then please send me a link to it.
You see, i can't really talk to her brother directly because my friend is also my client. She has done her research but i don't know what she found. Her brother is a busy professional, not the type to hang on youtube for hours. From what i know he decided to stay in the marriage for his family. But you and i know this isn't a marriage nor a family, and in my opinion, he should leave while he is still in his thirties and find a healthy woman for him. Children will suffer less in the process, as you said, because they will be the narc's play. But he needs to understand that.
I told Lauren what his brother needs to do is start documenting all the abuse, start making videos, record conversations, etc etc.
So if there is a video of yours that speaks that to a guy in his situation, that would be great. If not, i understand. If you ever had the time to think about it, and make a custom video like this, please let me know..

Thnx, Agnes

Sent from my iPad

intoil <intoil@icloud.com>
SENT ON JAN 4 2017
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<MY FRIENDS NAME>, i have a request for a video for my friend's brother. Imagine that, we were talking one day and she told me about her brother, whom i never met, and about his wife, and her toxic behaviors during the Holidays, and how her family hates her, that his wife is trying to separate him from his family etc.
My friend had no clue about narcissism, that there is a name for her brother's wife's behaviors.
So... i told her about NPD, and she started doing a research online, and i gave her some links. She was very excited about it, and impressed with my knowledge. :) She felt relief that it was an actual name for this, and a lot of other people suffered from the same kind of abuse. She couldn't wait to tell her mother and father about it, and then the brother. And I was happy i could help too. The wife caused a lot of destruction in the family, and her brother is so scared he will follow all her orders and whims to appease her.
 Well, after the holidays were over we met and i asked her about her breaking the news to her brother that his wife has a mental disorder. Here's the problem, i don't think he understands what's going on with her, and wants to stay married to her. The problem is she got pregnant again and had a baby half a year ago, the third one, to keep him married to her. So three Minor children are involved.
So, i was gonna search for appropriate videos for his situation on youtube but cant find any.
I would like to ask you to think of making a video tailored to his situation, so i can give my friend the link to listen to it.
He's a complete newbie, but has experienced plenty of abuse from her, so he will identify everything you say. Really think about what to say to a guy like that, he's intelligent, in his thirties, with a young family and a toxic wife, also in her thirties. Whether to stay or divorce, and if not divorce then how to take on his toxic wife, maybe the gray rock method, etc. She told him that if he leaves she's gonna make sure he's never going to see his kids again. But she is not with money, but my friend is and his family, and they can afford a good lawyer.
I think the video should cover the basics about narcissism, the flawed loop, the lack of empathy, that its incurable, etc. And what to do with minor children, three of them. And anything you as an expert who wrote books on this topic thinks will help and is appropriate to this situation.

It's up to you, no rush whatsoever but would be nice if you could do that.
Do let me know.

Thanks, Agnes

Sent from my

Agnieszka Anna <intoil@icloud.com>

SENT ON JAN 6 2017
I know you have, this is why i requested the video from you. I didn't watch these particular videos because i dont relate, but i do have an idea about the dynamics within the family.
If there is a single one video that best fits my friend's brother's situation, that you've already made then please send me a link to it.
You see, i can't really talk to her brother directly because my friend is also my client. She has done her research but i don't know what she found. Her brother is a busy professional, not the type to hang on youtube for hours. From what i know he decided to stay in the marriage for his family. But you and i know this isn't a marriage nor a family, and in my opinion, he should leave while he is still in his thirties and find a healthy woman for him. Children will suffer less in the process, as you said, because they will be the narc's play. But he needs to understand that.
I told Lauren what his brother needs to do is start documenting all the abuse, start making videos, record conversations, etc etc.
So if there is a video of yours that speaks that to a guy in his situation, that would be great. If not, i understand. If you ever had the time to think about it, and make a custom video like this, please let me know..

Thnx, Agnes

Sent from my iPad

Agnieszka Anna <intoil@icloud.com>

SENT ON JAN 7 2017
<MY FRIENDS NAME>, you know your stuff, thank you for an extensive analysis.
I was thinking I could suggest it to Lauren that her brother contact you for paid consultation instead of a clueless expensive lawyer. It's up to them though.
I know very little about him, all I know is his wife is a low end simple narc. She's alienating him from the kids, calling him names (asshole) in front of them, basically smear campaigning him at home. She's also trying to separate him from his family, his parents and sister. She wouldn't allow him to visit during holidays.
His family has been telling him to divorce her asap for a long time.
My position here is I like Lauren, she's a great woman, and this is why I try to help, that's all. I don't know her brother besides her words.
You're right, he should do the work, but I thought maybe one correctly made video would spark his attention. There's a lot of crap out there, with incorrect advise, a lot of nonsense.
Personally I don't believe the current theory on narcissism is correct, it's an artificial concept.

Thanks <MY FRIENDS NAME> and have a great weekend.

Sent from my iPad

Agnieszka Anna <intoil@icloud.com>

SENT ON JAN 7 2017
Ok, I will give your email address to Lauren on Tuesday when I see her, and a link to your channel, and tell her you're a published author, with links to Amazon, etc. and that you're willing to have a consultation with him. And she will give it to her brother.
That's where you take it from there, it's between you and her brother.
I'll let you know on Tuesday.

Sent from my iPad

1 OF THE ORIGINAL FORWARDED EMAILS ABOUT EMOTION DET TRYING TO BAIT MY FRIEND FOR 1 REASON, THE ONLY THING SHE COULD DO W/IT.

<FROM MY FRIENDS NAME TO ME>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Agnieszka Anna <intoil@icloud.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: A special request
To: <MY FRIENDS NAME, EMAIL>
I know you have, this is why i requested the video from you. I didn't watch these particular videos because i dont relate, but i do have an idea about the dynamics within the family.
If there is a single one video that best fits my friend's brother's situation, that you've already made then please send me a link to it.
You see, i can't really talk to her brother directly because my friend is also my client. She has done her research but i don't know what she found. Her brother is a busy professional, not the type to hang on youtube for hours. From what i know he decided to stay in the marriage for his family. But you and i know this isn't a marriage nor a family, and in my opinion, he should leave while he is still in his thirties and find a healthy woman for him. Children will suffer less in the process, as you said, because they will be the narc's play. But he needs to understand that.
I told Lauren what his brother needs to do is start documenting all the abuse, start making videos, record conversations, etc etc.
So if there is a video of yours that speaks that to a guy in his situation, that would be great. If not, i understand. If you ever had the time to think about it, and make a custom video like this, please let me know..

Thnx, Agnes

Sent from my iPad

NOW FOR WHERE THE EMAILS FROM EMOTION DETECTIVE STALKER STARTED.

miss elegance <sooforty@icloud.com>
11/21/15

to <MY FRIENDS NAME>.

Dear <MY FRIENDS NAME>,

Your work has helped me like nothing else out there. First finding you via psychopath free Facebook page a year ago, I knew this wasn't just theory from Wikipedia or some psycho bubble. Slowly, it took a year almost exactly for it to sink in. It's been difficult for me because of family of origin, my younger sister, who conditioned me to never expect anything good for myself. But I didn't know this until not long ago.
What triggered me to google 'psychopath' was a relationship with a guy.
My story is as convoluted as everyone else's, I discovered more NPDs in my life, and now I can easily spot them, largely because of your work and also my own experiences. I'm this kind of a person who needs steel assurance as to whether someone truly has a personality disorder, and by listening to your videos I've been able to do so, to pin point several people I only suspected so far.
At this point, I went no contact with a few people, and suddenly I feel so alone, yet free at the same time, and for the first time in control of my life. I started healing, it's just the beginning.

I want to thank you for your courage, putting yourself out there and helping me and other people. I don't comment or like you n YouTube but I have seen all your videos. I watched some others but most of them on YouTube don't seem to be sure about this vastly unexplored disorder. Yours is a self contained Eco system so to speak, a methodology which sounds almost scientific, it's logical and so very true.
Many situations you describe happened to me in reality, so there have been many aha moments.
I've been unfortunate to know too many NPDs  not knowing really, only sensing it, and processing so much pain that only now is replaced by joy of plain living.
I don't know if you have time to read emails and stories, I'm sure you get many, but I'd like to tell you a little bit about each disordered person in my life and if you had a moment to read, I'd appreciate if you could tell me precisely which type of NPDs they are. The last guy especially, I'm not completely certain whether he is a predator or a victim of a psychopathic mother.
A bit about me.
My name is Agnieszka, I'm Polish, living in the US for the last 15 years, alone. My family resides in Poland.
I'm 40, never been married, no kids. And that's because of the first narcissist.
I came here as an aupair, I was 23, and he was the father of the baby girl. He came to my bed early one day in the morning after the mother left to work, and eventually raped me. It developed into a relationship, in the following years. I was 23, and he was 54, but looked 34, as he said to me. He later offered to pay for my education, room and board while I went to college on a student visa, living separately from the family. He went to Europe with me, twice. He promised me to marry me and wanted a baby. This other woman he told me wasn't satisfying him, and she wasn't his wife. His real wife lived in Virginia, with whom he had 4 grown kids. I'm in Michigan btw.
He ofc never married me, and I never got pregnant, I think he had a vasectomy, it occurred to me recently.
Because of his lies I lost my legal status, and I stayed on an expired visa while he kept saying hes getting the divorce soon... Wait till my ship comes in right?  Yep. Never came.
He's a gambler, every so often loses everything, millions I heard. Vegas, African Nigerian scams, got kidnapped in Nigeria in 2005, found by FBI. Loses his jobs, though has two PhDs, in computer science and math. Everyone he works with is stupid. He loses his job, is decompensated and becomes verbally abusive. The last time he lost his job he withdrew all support he offered, God has given, God has taken away, literally everything, hoping to devastate me because I refused to have sexual relations with him. He has no clue I'm now fully independent supporting myself for the last five years. His plan was to give me support, pay car insurance, cell phone on one plan, and half rent, because of our history, and then take it away if I said no. The baby girl went off to college this fall, and I feel he was finally ready to marry me, even he knew I had a boyfriend.
I changed my cell # in July and never gave it to him and never will. Big time narc injury there. :)
I loved him, he's been a big part of my life, it's sad, over ten years, but I fell in love with a guy 4 years older in 2011, and this is the main course of all, the reason I googled 'psychopath' last year in October.
This was a hot romance I never experienced before, lots and lots of hot sex, mutual attraction, he was only the second man after George. I felt in love on all possible levels, deeper than myself, and still do, and I believe underneath all this brokenness of his, deficiency, on pure soul depth, he loves me too. And I know it because we have a telepathic connection. I never read anyone mention this, reason why I have my doubts about his disorder and uncertain about its nature, although everything points to psychopathy.
This story is unlike anything told on the Internet, and also very very scary, and sick. His mother is a psychopath, and his wife he married after she found out about me, the mother of his two girls, I believe is a cowbird narc. I'm not sure what he is, probably an overt somatic predator. George was I believe a cerebral covert narc, but again I'm not sure of the terminology. And my sister is another painful story.

I'm exhausted now, I'll continue on if you are interested, go in details about Evangelos, I'll go find your email address, I saw you mention it somewhere in comments.
Btw I too come from a traditional, good family, with loving normal parents, from a small town in southern Poland. I grew up Catholic, but thanks to mu high IQ ( my dad was a chess master, who is passed now), I'm an atheist, and I have two college degrees, one from Poland in American lit, and Fine Arts from a Detroit university.
Thank you for reading, and hopefully I will hear from you. If not, I am sending you lots of hugs, gratitude, and my friendship.

Regards,
Agnieszka
Sent from my iPad
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MY FRIENDS NAME <MY FRIENDS EMAIL>
11/21/15

to miss
I am delighted to learn you have found my videos and they have helped you. I'm sincerely sorry you became entrapped by one spousal predator and then it seems another. I can assure you that these predators do not love anyone. They completely lack warm empathy, compassion, mercy, shame, remorse, guilt, etc. However, when the target victim is placed into the idealization stage of the "relationship" and the predator is bedazzled by his preoccupation with perfect Hollywood love (this is a delusional state the predator goes into and it is NOT based on an ability to love or understand love, but rather it is based on watching movies, taking in media images and stories of incredible love and wanting that -- the parts the predator can see, feel physically not emotionally, etc.) the predator WILL appear to be someone who loves and is normal even though in truth he is NOT.....

That telepathic link you describe is also the norm not the exception. The predator fosters this when he is in the delusional preoccupation with perfect--ideal love stage -- when he is in pursuit of the prey. He does it by mirroring you and by reading your every subtle communication (your body language, your metacommunication, your words, your tone when speaking,etc.)... The predator will observe you and tune into you like a sophisticated hunter because that is what he IS. He is the cat who has found a defenseless mouse or a lion who has singled out the weakened animal within the herd -- except the human narcissist/sociopath/psychopath is after human prey and in order to get you he must become one with you -- he must connect to you on every level even what appears to be a complete soul psychic connection.

In reality on an emotional level you are the only one connecting. He is not. You are the mental - emotional - soul -- psychic link he feeds off of. You are the battery he is draining yet while he drains you he makes you feel like he is connecting in every way you are.

The predator's tales of past trauma, childhood horror, abusive ex wives, etc are literally nothing but baiting his hook fishing for empathy and then tapping into your empathy until you are trapped. Even when the predator was indeed abused he does not feel the pain as someone who is not a predator does -- he cannot feel normal emotions, he cannot comprehend the actions and reactions of others in context, he cannot feel warm empathy himself yet he can see it in you and slide his hook in, he does not hurt when abused like you do yet he feels narcissistic injury and sociopath insult over wrongs he has suffered when applicable.... There is literally no comparison between how your emotions work and how his do. It is as if you are different species due to the predator's brain difference and emotional processing deficit which is all encompassing except for in how he can read you while luring you all the way in slowly over time.

The first predator highjacked your emotional center by raping you and then deceiving you by what it all meant and what his intentions were... If I understand your email correctly the second one is taking you down the traditional most common way for a predator in his hunting prime, not yet decompensated or not significantly decompensated.

Etc.
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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
11/22/15

I can't believe you wrote me back! and fast like a bullet! :)
I'll respond more in depth later today.
Thank you!

Agnes
Sent from my iPhone
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MY FRIENDS NAME <MY FRIENDS EMAIL>
11/21/15

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BTW chances are rather high both of your spousal type predators are somatic. Cerebral predators tend to engage is very little to no sex, have extremely low sex drive, etc, and use sex only in the initial lure or to reproduce if they must do so via sex... Of course if cerebral supply runs out the cerebral predator will flip to sexial conquests short term as it takes years to cultivate a purely cerebral supply.. Predator #1 may well have leaned more towards the cerebral than predator #2 yet I doubt he was fully a cerebral predator. Moreover, the male predator knows that sex is a good way to hook into a female victim's emotional center very quickly and thus they use it to make you vulnerable and blind to what they are really doing in the relationship... The target responds to sex by falling in love and love is blind is it not? Thus I advise targets to avoid sex until they really know the person extremely well though even this is not foolproof as the predator in his hunting prime will wait a long time for a high quality spousal target and he will maintain his facade for years if need be.
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Dear <MY FRIENDS NAME>,

I'll explain a bit more about the telepathy after I tell you the story of Evangelos. At least I'll try to, it's long and involves other disturbed individuals. And over four years of events.
As far as George, I don't really care about him, it's only important that he is a predator who took the best years of my life, and wasted it, including a chance of becoming a mother. I blamed myself for everything, and felt guilty. Sex wasn't so important to him, it was always flat, boring, and routine. Once a week was okay, and there were long periods of nothing, esp. when he was involved in a new gambling scheme, or job where he played people, picking victims. Always telling me about it.
That story is over. No contact forever. I realized he was a predator after the story with Evan. That includes also my sister. One of my current clients (I am a housekeeper) is a classic narcissist, taken straight out of the Mommy Dearest movie. Her daughter looks exactly like that girl in the movie, and I witnessed and noticed several things in their house. She started playing with me lately too, written a bad check... First time I was cleaning the house from top to bottom after three months of total neglect, the little girl was locked up in her bedroom, her bedding wasn't changed for months, crying her lungs out while I was upstairs, and her downstairs playing music not to hear...

The part about Hollywood Love, that's how I'll start the story of Evangelos, a lot of the early things he did, like holding my hand in the car, planning of dates, things he said, etc were like taken out of a movie, the first two months felt so romantic. I wanted to be with him very soon. Classic eh?
Well I started suspecting his disorder last year, after being blind for three years and I'll explain why, not only being in love but mostly because of the woman he has kids with, she's a much bigger narcissist than he is. She threatened to have me killed several times, assaulted me twice in a coffee house, and conducted a smear campaign in the whole town...
That's next. I kid you not! True story...

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In general terms, without missing the important stuff, the events were as follows.
In July 2010 I end up in Hamtramck, a little polish town adjacent to Detroit. Two square miles only, the most condensed city in the US, past its glory. I'm rooming with Josh, Obama campaign field organizer with whom I volunteered in 2008. I'm practically destitute, no support from George who again hit rock bottom and disappeared. Remember I'm also illegal, no work papers to find a job, so I do house cleaning, house keeping, for cash. In February my car is stolen. I have nothing, and no one.
I log in to okcupid.com, a new dating site, and Evangelos finds me, we go on a date next day, because we live in the same town of Hamtramck, two blocks away. The fateful date is on March 29th, 2011, in a coffee house Cafe 1923. We sit there for 3 hours, he's doing the talking, it's boring really n I find him unusual, neglected, a bit of ADHD, but overall he's a typical guy from that town, later seems like the boy next door type. After the cafe closes at 9 o'clock, he agrees to take me home, but we drive and drive around town I'm not familiar with, past his mothers house, it's totally dark in there and looks dreary. He asks if I want to meet his mother, and I refuse... thinking suddenly is he a psychopath?
During the date he confesses he has kids and has been in prison.... I wanted to get up and leave at the moment and I wished later so many times that I did that but I stayed on trying to be polite.
Next is a whirlwind of a romance, the whole April and May. Dates, planned trips places, most of the time with his mother... Both are Greek, he was born and grew up here. They seem very very close. She's everywhere... seems jealous when not included. She s tiny, petite, with two pony tails like a little girl.
everything seems mellow until May 24th I'm thrown out in the street from my rent. I've been renting in a polish lady's house, very old fashioned, 90 years old, Siberian gulag survivor. No gentle men allowed, so I'm out in the street.. and Evan takes me home to his mother..
I could really write a book, so I'll just be more general and later fill in the gaps when needed.
Their house looks like a war zone, like it's been destroyed and repaired many times.
I wake up in the morning of June 4th, and I see him outside, through the attic window trying to take the stairs out, rip them out. I observe in total shock it's ripped, then his Cadillac CTS he threatens to smash against nearby church across the street... and then comes upstairs to tell me to leave fast cause the cops and INS are coming. I'm frozen, totally in slow motion, not reacting. They leave in the car, and I decide to run leaving my things behind. Like you said. It's 91 degrees outside, no AC, so I hide in a nearby supermarket on the floor between the aisles.. then I went to the coffee house, my suitcase in the house. He finds me there, his car tires screeching, him sweating, dust running down his body with sweat. He leaves, says nothing. Then calls me if I could not come home that night... I call everybody for help. My friend Lindsay takes me home and to his place to take the rest of my stuff. When I go inside alone, the house is in complete ruin, doors missing, windows broken, mirrors broken, I'm unable to make my way upstairs, door blocking the stairs, but I manage to go thru, him breathing behind me, saying he loves me... and I leave to Detroit.
He calls me in the evening to say how terrible he feels. When I walked in, his hand was swollen from breaking stuff, and bleeding.....


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After that day, I don't know if it's Stockholm syndrome, or what, I feel I love him, and that feeling doesn't leave me till today. Crazy.
I returned to that old lady's house eventually, she's been looking for me all that time. But she throws me out again in a month, I change rents several times, come back later to take care of her for room and board when her caregiver leaves to Poland. She's addicted to painkillers, and I administer the drugs and all sorts of pills.

We keep seeing each other, Evan and I, and having wild sex. Despite the fact I contracted an std, went to planned parenthood to get Metronidazole against Trichonomas. That becomes a routine. But things are different, he's not as loving as he was before, that boy next door never returned. That facade was broken, so the dates are infrequent, silent treatment, avoidance.
Until Sharlene, the woman he was trying to hide, finds my phone number and starts with: " u fuckn bitch, you fuckin my husband! ( they are not married) etc etc she calls me many times, usually drunk, talks shit for hours, with kids and him around.. I'm sick for several days after that, changed my number four times, she found it always and launched fiercer attacks each time. One time heard her kids crying in the background, screaming: we want her dead!!!
She taunts him in front of the kids, they know my name by now and he says she plants hate in their hearts for me and him.
Fast forward, please... that's nothing yet. She knew about me frequenting that coffee house, it's a small town, everybody know each other. One day she decides to leave her bar drunk across the street and with a friend block me from leaving my chair, bullying, screaming, in front of people, to leave her husband alone, it happens again next year. Then he texts me that he's told to break contact with me and I don't hear from him for half a year. I find out about their wedding day from Facebook. My heart sank lower than the ocean depths.
After that we meet one time at night to talk, after months of not seeing each other, and as crazy as it sounds we continue, I continue on having sex. Not often, because now he's married and scared. Repeat a thousand times.
I needed marriage certificate to become legal. He throws his married status in my face till this day, omitting the fact she divorced him two years later, a year ago, after he punched her in the face breaking her tooth.
She came to the cafe to show me. He's yours, she said.
Before that he asks me to have a baby with him... I'm stunned and say nothing. A month later at age 43 she gets pregnant, and loses the baby just in time b4 it's too late, and comes to me to throw it in my face.
her two girls are 9 and 10 today, both were born prematurely, one with one lung, the other with one kidney.
Reason, her alcoholism, and STDs.

I'm slowly becoming numb with it all. Don't know what to call it.

In March last year she has an emergency surgery, I find later miles of her gut cut out, that followed more surgeries, she doesn't go to work, it's a big secret what s going on. In the meantime, my cars tires get slashed in September last year, so I finally leave that town and I rent a loft in Detroit.. I found better clients who pay me well, and I make more and save more. I'm fine today, and she's dying, she'll be soon dead.
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11/23/15

It's not easy when he's so handsome and charming, always playing a little goofy boy

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Her Facebook:
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It seems both of these facebook pages are closed:
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It's not easy when he's so handsome and charming, always playing a little goofy boy

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Oops. Never mind. I guess it was necessary to sign into a FB account in order to view these.. I'm looking at them now.
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These look like middle class people FB pages though to me he looks rather creepy to me... She looks like a basic middle class wife and mother with two cute daughters. However, one can never identify a predator by how he/she looks on the outside and FB pages are crafted to showcase the false-self.
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Actually they are lower class, only high school diplomas. He never worked until recently found s job  driving Uber. She worked for a dentist managing his local office.
He was a stay at home dad for the most part.
Before that he stole stuff off trains, cars, been in prison a few times, once a year. In the army five years. Or lived off of his mother.
That photo is taken in a museum.

Unbelievable huh when you look at his face. Huge cognitive dissonance.

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He looks like he can lure in plenty of Guppies as well as some other victims though he is in the right age group for decompensating, which is of course when they are at their worsening worst. In the FB photos he looks like he is trying to be younger, almost teen-like, and thus it comes off as creepy to me. In this photo he looks like a ski lodge, hiking or mountain climber outdoor lodge bum (i.e. someone with enough free time and oftentimes enough money to hang out at lodges featuring the outdoors life in the USA) which is attractive to many victims.
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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
11/23/15

Dear <MY FRIENDS NAME>,
I feel mentally exhausted at this moment. It's been over a year of trying to figure things out.
Yesterday writing tired me. He's already trying to lure me back, always has, but this time won't succeed. He does it via Facebook posts, song lyrics, text, etc. he's very good at it.
I'm only looking cause I'm writing about it to you, to also get it out of my system, and it helps a lot. I'm literally exhausted.
I'll write more soon. What do you think about Melania Evans and her quanta healing system, the peptide addiction and inner true self theory? Or is she trying to make money?

That black guy put things very clear in his videos, he knows what he means. Like you. :)
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This is my Facebook so you know who you talk to:
https://www.facebook.com/o.ishiin
Since I know what you look like it's only polite.

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12/1/15

He is really decompensating.. His posts on FB show his real ugly self. Mask falling..
Also via his flying monkey Bobbie: https://www.facebook.com/<TARGETNAME>75
see the Kermit especially
He has no way of rectifying it without losing his face, humbling himself. He knows this time it's going to be very hard, what he doesn't know is it's already impossible. Or he feels it is, this is why the anger in his posts, esp. the black n white is for me, from both, because my public profile is b&w.

Did you ever do a study of narcs FB activity, similarities etc. I have made some observations, it's interesting.
After I tell you about my sister, I'll compare hers and E's.

I hope you're doing ok. How is your contact with the father of your kid? I'm curious how you deal with him.
If you want to share...
xoxox

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12/2/15

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I think your most recent predator and those he keeps around himself are all decompensated to the Nth degree, which is no surprise. They tend to keep Flying Monkeys who can be controlled and who are like them at least on the significant levels.... These FB pages are of the same kind of Jerry Springer show trash.

My situation with my most recent predator is <PERSONAL INFO THAT SUPPORTS MY FRIEND AS THE VICTIM> past two weeks -- very bad.
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They are white trash. I didn't like him at all in the beginning, until we kissed and had sex, he became suddenly the better one. That's how the manipulation works.

What I'm asking is how much contact you have with the father, is it via other ppl, email or do you see him in person, and how you try to limit the contact. I know must be difficult.

Could you make a video on the distinction between the various types of predators? All the ones you mention in your videos, including the cowbird etc etc. like list them and how they differ, from least to most malignant. Or however scale you choose. Is there a spectrum in this cluster B disorder or do they differ depending on the origin.
There's a lot of conflicting info out there on this. Since I know a few of them, they seem different a bit, n I'd like to be able to classify them into a category. Like my sis wouldn't be a psychopath I don't think, but E. definitely, yet both lack empathy.

xox

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Greetings,
Yes indeed many predators capture their victims by physical contact. I knew a narcopath decades ago and he literally told people the way to get women was to "just grab them" -- hug them, hold them, cuddle them. So the method your predator employed is well known and highly successful. The type of female victim somatic predators want tends to be a high empathy, generous, sweet, loving, emotionally stable yet needy person and by getting close fast the predator can override your ability to see what he really is.

There is a continuum with these predators. I thought I had videos on this already, but I've cranked out so many videos I could be mistaken. Basically the continuum in a nutshell is as follows:
1) Classical narcissist: This predator is a full-blown NPD individual but he/she is extremely squeamish and thus he/she is not capable of inflicting gory forms of physical/sexual abuse upon the victims.
2) Malignant narcissist: This is a full-blown NPD who is also leaning heavily towards being a sociopath/psychopath. The person is not very squeamish or not squeamish at all and thus can easily perpetrate heinous acts of physical/sexual abuse and torture. The person will receive supply/stimulation through acts of physical and sexual cruelty and torture. Many of these types of predators are indeed narcopaths (i.e. duel diagnosed or duel diagnosable narcissists and sociopaths/psychopaths). There is no limit to how severe, sick, twisted, dangerous these predators can be. There is no limit to how deranged the abuse by proxy scams of these predators can become (i.e. every imaginable abuse is possible including false arrest and jailing of the victim, police brutality abuse against the victim due to false allegations, psychiatric abuse of the victim where the predator wages false allegations that the victim is mentally ill and causes the victim to be locked up against her/his will in a mental hospital and potentially subjected to physical assault/sexual abuse/rape/repeated rapes/drug abuse-medicating with meds that cause extreme lifelong harm to the victim/electroshock therapy/labotomy (yes labotomy is still done though no longer with an ice-pick), abduction-kidnapping of the victim illegally by thugs who may batter/sexually abuse/rape/repeatedly rape the victim, etc.) --- the universe of horrors in the limit meaning there is literally no limit whatsoever. When the leading hand of the predator is narcissism the predator is more likely to perpetrate the most severe horrors, such as those listed, via abuse by proxy (manipulating or paying others to do the hands-on abuse) yet the predator will gloat and receive extreme pleasure by what he/she has done to the victim.
3) Sociopath: The predator is the same as the malignant narcissist except he/she will be more likely to ALSO personally engage in perpetrating some of all of the abuses listed above. Psychopath is much the same except oftentimes the predator will really cross the line into acts such as murder. Etc.
4) Narcopath: The predator is simply a combination of narcissist and sociopath/psychopath. Obviously some narcopaths lean more towards classical narcissism than malignant narcissism. The factor which determines how far the predator will go in his/her abuses is always only a matter of how squeamish is he/she and how practiced is he/she. The highly practiced self-controlled white collar predator will typically rely on abuse by proxy (i.e. getting others to do his worst dirty work) as this will enable the predator to get away with it Scott-Free while the predator can still reign as Lord and Ruler getting suppl;y/stimulation and total control over the victim and the victim's entire life via the constant sick abuse by proxy scams.

The Cowbird Narcissist tends to be more of a classical narcissist in most cases though obviously some of them are malignant narcs, sociopaths/psychopaths or narcopaths -- the distinguishing factor is that the Cowbird Narcissist is overt. This is not a covert predator at all.

In the end the factors you have to pay attention to are not only what kind of predator someone is or may be, but how covert he/she is and how practiced he/she is at using Flying Monkeys to perpetrate or support/validate abuse by proxy. How practiced is the predator at successfully using law enforcement, CPS, the court system, the psychiatric system, etc. How many victims has the predator had abused by proxy via Flying Monkeys in positions of authority. Etc. Typically the predators who use abuse by proxy to get away with literally everything and anything (i.e. stealing children from the non-abusive spousal victim, maintaining at least joint custody of minor children despite being child batterers/molesters etc., getting away with domestic violence against the spousal victim in the home and much more) are very white collar covert predators who are self-disciplined in how they carefully set the dynamics over years of time to support their ultimate take-ALL agenda....  I attempt to delve into this topic a great deal in the book which will hopefully be in print soon.

<PRIVATE INFO SUPPORTS MY FRIEND AS THE VICTIM> there is no such thing as no contact when one has common minor children with a spousal predator. The only way to create no contact or anything that resembles this is to be the big winner in the child custody battle in court and since many predators shine in court most victims cannot do this. So in the end once minor common children are involved the reality is a horrific life long dance of trying to balance the predator somehow while the predator gets increasingly worse, more abusive, more empowered, continues setting up the dynamic to take-ALL from the former spousal victim over the on-going years, sets himself/herself up to be surrounded by white collar impressive Flying Monkeys who will support and validate the predator's agenda -- the spousal victim and the child/children become completely destroyed in the process -- the predator is utterly oblivious to this and sees only that he/she is getting what he/she feels entitled to -- time marches on in this kind of emotional-mental-financial bloodbath ruled by the predator who has set himself/herself up to win in the end......... The spousal victim who wants no contact can continue in the warped dance with the predator manipulating for scraps of whatever she/he can get as more and more is taken away and destroyed over the years or the victim can discard the child/children to the predator and move on without the child/children. That is how it works. One either donates ALL to the predator or one tries to hang in there for as long as possible while the predator continues to set himself/herself up to take the last scraps away. There is no worse fate for everyone except the predator who enjoys the entire sick journey into and through Hell and simply lures in new supply sources to engage in marital "relationships" with to create more "families" oftentimes with more children to repeat the pattern over and over and over again.

I delve deeply into this reality in my upcoming book (the one that will hopefully be in print soon) -- so that book likely has every gory detail of the reality in it that you could ever want to know. There is truly no short and to the point answer to the question of how a spousal victim deals with a highly self-disciplined predator who is extremely white collar and thus impressive to authority figures and Flying Monkeys which the predator surrounds himself/herself with. There are rarely any happy endings for any of the victims (spousal victim and any minor child or minor children) in the picture -- there is only total ruins for everyone except the predator and of course his/her Flying Monkeys who never wake up to reality no matter what -- in most cases.

There are books; however, written by author Tina Swithin that I recommend highly. You can buy her books online through Amazon and other sources. She defeated a narcissist and rescued her children though her predator was not the worst case scenario type and my material is about the worst case scenario though I also attempt to explain the other scenarios or realities lower in the spectrum of horrors.
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Wow, she looks like a perfectly submissive stupid guppy who wouldn't understand when told a million times.
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And no, you didn't make a video about types of predators, unless somewhere in the beginning. I've watched maybe 90% of your stuff, skipping some about kids with predators, because that's not my experience, hopefully never. I'm quite certain never. Some viewers if not most are confused about the classifications.
So if you have a chance, make one for others.

Thanks for the lengthy email with the categories, it seems it's all about the scale of malignancy, having the breaks or not - being covert and overt about it. Makes sense, everything is a wave, a spectrum. I never heard the narcopath, is it synonymous with psychopath?

Evangelos, to me then Andy, his second chosen name he uses for strangers, and mostly his mother calls him Andy. Now that makes me think, it's as if she sees him as someone else not her son...
So Andy decided to swoop on me one day in a parking lot, and kiss me. I dropped the grocery bags. I thought it was the most romantic kiss ever. We felt a spark, and a dew days later we ended up in bed, and we never stopped kissing, and having sex, everywhere and anywhere: in the middle of nowhere, on grass under moonlight, in dirt, in the car, in the middle of snow storm at night in my car, windows fogged from the heat, in a mall in men's restroom, in the street at night, in a garden, in somebody's backyard, and in his attic, my room until I was thrown out on the street, etc. I couldn't think about him without getting wet at work, everywhere.
It's all gone now. I am having a hard time understanding how he's gay??? The extent of his sexual deviancy is staggering. He has at least five regular relationships at the same time, half men, half women, mixed with one time encounters, and maybe his mother.
But instead of knocking me off unconscious it woke me up to reality, and I'm actually stronger. I'm just sad thinking what could have been if he was a normal man, born healthy, with a healthy brain. Same goes for. Y sister. My heart goes out to them.

I am worried about you, I cannot imagine what you've been through with this man. I'm a bit afraid for myself too, I'm sure you've thought about what if they will want to dispose of us? E. hinted at it in some of the nonsense he posts.


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The somatic predator definitely knows how to hook his victim with sex and of course the victim has no clue whatsoever why the predator is so practiced at it or that the predator feels no emotional connection at all while engaging in all that sex. My most recent predator was also a sex addict and tried to get me to have sex with him in all kinds of public places, including the public library in Phoenix, the main library, at the back of some long book shelves. There were other people in the library at the time and if I've given in and we'd been caught we surely would have been arrested and jailed and have criminal records as sexual deviants to this day..... The predator was oblivious to that as he was and remains used to getting away with anything and everything no matter how outrageous it is.

You lucked out in discovering how twisted your predator was in time -- before ending up pregnant, with a serious disease that could never be cured or married to him if it ever went that far...

I truly doubt your predator is gay. The reality is that many somatic predators are so fixated on sexual stimulation they will have sex with pretty much anything yet it is not necessarily linked to being gay or hetrosexual.

I thought I made a  video about the continuum, but if not the material is in my book -- the one that will hopefully be out in print soon. I will try to do a video on this topic as soon as my predator is more under control. Currently he is completely out of control and doing many sick things. The situation is a mess. Anyway, I just accepted two more additional victim letters to the book since it is so far behind schedule. They're good ones and I think they will help enlighten other victims regarding how horrible the abuse can become if the victim doesn't escape in time.....

My predator it appears likely did try to hire thugs to get rid of me in 2012 after another one of his scams to eliminate me via legal abuse by proxy failed to get him the big end game slam dunk he wanted. Due to the fact that I was stalked by a psychopathic killer from 1999 to 2004 I long ago learned to be a hard target to get and so the thugs could not close in on me... I don't have any proof that my predator was behind it in 2012, yet I can think of no one else who would have had any reason whatsoever to come after me back them especially as I was not all over the internet yet at that time....

Narcopath is an improper term (i.e. it is not a correct psychiatric term, so it's somewhat like my term Cowbird Narcissist, which is also not a proper psychiatric term) that means a person who is both a narcissist and a sociopath or psychopath. A sociopath is exactly the same as a psychopath except in the old days when I was in college the term sociopath was used to describe someone who had no conscience yet did not perpetrate acts of extreme illegal physical or sexual abuse. In the old days a predator was considered to have crossed the line into psychopathy once he or she did perpetrate acts of extreme physical or sexual abuse against others/victims. Now the proper term to describe either a sociopath or a psychopath is antisocial personality disorder. In truth these predators, all of them, are basically the same thing and how heinous they are is simply a matter of where the predator is on that continuum. Internally they are all very similar other than the squeamishness factor of course -- classical narcs are very squeamish to the point their squeamishness rules what they can and cannot personally do. The malignant narc, the sociopath/psychopath  or the narcopath is just not squeamish.

Yes your predator might wish to end your life, but chances are if he sees no on-going threat that you will effectively expose him in a manner that will prevent him from getting what he wants he won't bother trying to kill you or get your killed. Nonetheless it would be a very bad idea to ever meet with him alone where he could have an easy opportunity to harm you..
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Dear <MY FRIENDS NAME>,
you can use everything I write in your book, if you have any questions please ask. I'll try to be more detailed and write more, especially about my sister. It's not as dramatic as the E. story, she's pretty mellow compared, and very squeamish, it's just the cumulative effect she has had on my self esteem, an emotional effect, and pretty much taken over my moms all resources draining her to the max.
I'll write more soon, today n tomorrow are busy, long hours and I'm pretty exhausted by the end of the day.

About the threat from E. and S. is pretty realistic. He loves the opportunity to use the gun as much as he loves to use his cock. He's skilled in both to perfection. He boasted to me long ago he was the best in the army... In his unit.
But I know he tracks every move I make online, he's stalking my activity n then posts stuff immediately at the same time. He reads for messages to me and posts subtle responses. And I don't really mean anything for him.
Bigger threat is her though, if she insists on him killing me he will have no choice. He slashed my tires, all four of them upon her request. And posted a pic of a beautiful rose at 8 am on her profile, the time I was going to work and see the car. On my birthday a few months ago a car parked next to me was smashed to pieces... missed and then corrected mistake.

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miss elegance <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/4/15

he recycles over and over again, changing only the title, something for me usually if it's for a woman, he uses the same pictures with different text for men, sometimes in the same day
it's just one of many ads

https://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cas/5344362159.html


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MY FRIENDS NAME <MY FRIENDS EMAIL>
12/4/15

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Ick but not unusual. Truly nearly every somatic predator out there has run sex ads on sex or hook up sex sites...
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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/4/15

olol sorry for the ick factor
he has a new one in golden women's panties for men
I deleted all the screenshots I had, don't want to keep it in my devices anywhere.
He's basically bending backwards to show his ass hole for gay men, most of his ads are for gay men, think he's a bottom, loves to get fucked in the ass by younger studs.
S. told his mother who told me the reason for her urgent surgery for perforated intestine was she had anal sex with an animal.
Knowing her she wanted to keep him from having sex with men by allowing him to "crawl up her ass" as his mother put it.

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Date: Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:39 AM
Subject: one of his ads
To: MY FRIENDS NAME <MY FRIENDS EMAIL>

he recycles over and over again, changing only the title, something for me usually if it's for a woman, he uses the same pictures with different text for men, sometimes in the same day
it's just one of many ads
https://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cas/5344362159.html
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miss elegance <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/4/15

speaking of fear, see this video by Kathleen Smith:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L8xRXzyyBI8

She interprets narcissism in religious terms, the Jesebel spirit, and the Bible, but her videos tell a story of being raised by a narcissist mother, and she goes into much detail in her personal stories. Then she married a narcissist and now she uncovered a pedophile leader of a congregation,
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miss elegance <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/4/15

Sorry it sent itself, this iPad is driving me crazy!
So I was saying, Kathy exposed that leader and in this video she says she received threats in mail.

So she talks about the fear we all share...

xoxox
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MY FRIENDS NAME <MY FRIENDS EMAIL>
12/6/15

to miss
Yes I know she is one of the people I have mentioned in my book which is still in process -- she's one of the YouTubers I refer victims to. I am not religious at all, but a lot of her material is really good and some victims are religious so it will resonate will with them, sink into their brains to reach them at a deeper level.
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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/6/15

I'm not either, not religious in the little bit though I was raised Catholic, but her stuff is really good. She was the first one I found, the vid telling about how her mother destroyed her graduation day.. she's a sweetheart, think I'm gonna buy her shampoos when I find her shop online.
I'm not going to do videos, I'm an introvert, and I'm not good at telling stories. I may write a book maybe one day, in the meantime there's so much to catch up, finding a good man, having a family, fixing my paperwork, etc etc. I can't dwell on this much longer.
But I do still need some stuff worked on, work on myself, and this is what I'm doing.
Can you tell me what your narc is doing to make you miserable?

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miss elegance <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/5/15

He changed the ad text to fit what he thinks I'd want to hear like every narc:

A bunch of Bullshit:

I'm a good man in need of a friend, companion, I'm lonely. I have a good job and tons of love to give .

I'm 5 ft 6 140 lbs white brown hair and eyes . I love sports mostly football , anything out doors , good music, and movies. I love holding hands , snuggling on the couch.

I'm legally married at the moment. We've been living together in a loveless, sexless, emotionaless relationship for years . We don't even sleep in the same room haven't for years . We have 2 teenage kids together and neither of us want to leave without them . It's really a matter of we got married young because she was pregnant and now we're stuck trying to figure things out .

So for now I'm just looking for a friend I can count on , rely on . I can't live anymore without an emotional connection. I need someone who cares , appreciates, and genuinely wants to be happy with me .

On the flip side I can be a freak in bed . I love giving and receiving oral, giving long massages, playing with and sucking on titties, light spanking and hair pulling, doggy style is really my favorite
Position. But am willing to do anything and I mean anything you want or need I'm a people pleaser. With an 8 in cock

So if your lonely, attached, just want to talk email me


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Sereena Nightshade <sereenanightshade@gmail.com>
12/5/15

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He truly can't stop mentioning his 8 inch penis can be? OMG. Somehow he thinks this makes him desirable...
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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/6/15

His pride, the only valuable thing he owns, that he thinks is a highest desirable commodity. It may be on a sleazy market of casual encounters on CL.
He says that he has tons of love to give, when a simple hug I needed he withheld purposefully, after I told him it felt like Christmas morning being in his arms. So like any narc he saw he had another thing of value besides his penis, that he withheld. The reason he revealed other sex partners in time, was to accentuate how valuable his dick is, and when he silent treats you, for extended periods of time, like in 2014, choosing missy and his mother over me, as if I never existed, was to up his value.
Now he added tons of love to his pricey repertoire. And yes he's a people pleaser, he will fuck anything that moves. He's not really that good in bed, he's actually boring because he doesn't focus on his partners needs, only his own. In time it became routine, followed by frustration, and lack of emotional connection, which he tried very strictly to withhold, because of his marital status. In reality the divorce went through a year ago, and he's not married. He refuses to accept it, or acknowledge it, because it doesn't really mean anything. They got married In a court, in a room full of other couples repeating standard vows in front of a judge. He doesn't understand the meaning of it at all, what marriage really means. So it equally doesn't mean anything that divorce papers went thru the court system.
I think narcissists not only have a superficial depth of emotions, they also have a superficial understanding of reality and the meaning behind things. They learn by copying without understanding. They are emotionally blind, and comprehension blind. To me narcissism should be classified as a mental handicap, if not illness.

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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/6/15

This new ad, he just changed yesterday after months of recycling the old one, is for me to read.
He is looking for everything he has had in me. He had my whole heart, my soul, my mind, my body, my time, everything. And he destroyed it. Maliciously. Slowly, covertly, painfully. I didn't see it for a long time, excusing everything. I wanted to help him, and give him the warmth she never could. And he never really see it, he could never feel it...
So basically he's looking for another victim to destroy. He also has Missy who's very deep into this too, ready and willing to get destroyed by him, and she sees this ad too, and it hurts he's still looking... And S. sees this ad too, and reads how loveless her marriage is, although she let him fuck her in the ass to keep him happy, which could kill her.
When she does die, she can't live long with a hole in her stomach and miles of removed intestines, he's gonna try to Hoover me, already is but it's not working and will not work. He's then going to marry Missy and plaster happy marriage photos all over FB, and she's gonna see he's not going to stop posting ads on CL that say how unhappy he is in marriage to her.
I'm not gonna watch the train wreck, although it's gonna be a good soap. I'm going to be far away from here, physically and emotionally.

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miss elegance <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/5/15

Dear <MY FRIENDS NAME>,

im usually very tired in the week but I do read everything you write to me. I can't respond to everything, there's so much to say, and I've got so much to tell. I notice that it helps me, I'm purging myself, clearing the fog.. and I'm actually accomplishing things in my life, making new plans. While my thoughts were totally taken by him.
I believe the failed attempt on your life came from him, the father of your kids. I understand that creating these videos on YouTube is a way of protecting yourself in case anything happened to you. The suspicion would be directly on him.
In a way the smear campaign S. ran in town protects me too. I let them know, I told his mother that I reported the damage to my car to the police, and gave them the names who I suspected during the investigation, and I explained why, telling about her assaults at the coffee house. The police in this little town do know them well, and what they are about. The police woman seemed angry, she said "these people". I also told her that S. threatened  to kill me. Last time I spoke to her, after the car incident ( I called her to apologize and appease her) she muttered: "if you continue posting things online to him, and continue to go after him, you will be dealt with once and for all."
She made much more of it than it was. I feel she enjoyed scapegoating me, cause she doesn't care about E. She always found my phone number, and called me over and over again, obsessively. Sometimes she was sober and sounded sane, most of the time as time went by during the conversation, usually one sided long winded monologue, she was getting drunk, and more vicious. She would each time regurgitate the previous story or stories, events, etc. adding newer ones, nitpicking, taking each of my few words into shreds, twisting, etc. interjecting with name calling me, and him while he was there he heard everything. She'd talk to him in sweet voice, calling him honey, how sex was that day... and I heard: amazing! at the time I was very much in love with him, and that word hurt like nothing ever. That was the first time I lost a little bit of love for him. A few months later he posted a picture of himself in a shirt he went online to buy that said: I love my amazing wife. If you go to her profile she shared that photo on her FB.
That was premeditated, and for no reason at all. It was after I caught him with Missy, I told S. when she came to the coffeehouse. S. had her first surgery and the meme was he can't see me cause his wife is in the hospital and sick. The truth was one day I came to see his mom, he was walking towards me with his zipper unzipped, motioning me to get back to my car. His mother left the house and sat on the steps squeezing her legs together, I ignored him and went towards her with some breakfast for her. He took lawn mower and started it, running it close to my feet so cut grass from the machine hurt my feet and legs, and he said if I don't leave he's going to burn this house down... So I left. Another time I was visiting his mother against his wishes, he was coming there with kids, it was summertime, he swung the door open, and started screaming to his mother she doesn't listen to him, took the ladder and with all his strength threw it against the window breaking blinds. If Athina didn't install reinforced glass window, it would be broken.
I was literally shaking. He ran outside telling the daughters to run as fast as they could. I was leaving the house, and he was on his bike, he looked at me and said: 'you fuckn Ho'.
So you see I was losing feelings for him starting in early 2014. He was done with me Christmas 2013, when he was assured about my love, the way we made love in Dec 2013 was what I always wanted, and he gave it to me. For the last time, when I thought it was just a beginning of everything. He planned to hurt me more than I'd ever think possible.
Anyway, I meant to tell you how things were between me and Sharleen.
Some ppl on YouTube mention the negative energy these narcopaths have on us. Well, each time S. called me, so,etching happened just before, during, or after. One time the phone was ringing, and I was pouring hot water from the kettle to make tea, and when I heard the ringing the top fell off and the hot steam burst on my fingers and I had third degree burns on my three fingers, the bubbles formed quite immediately. Still I was talking to her, because if not, she might come over, I was afraid of not doing what she wanted, and I was holding my fingers on ice or in my little fridge the entire time. Then a few weeks later she called I was with a friend at Starbucks, and while on the phone with her we were leaving, the car wouldn't start and had to be towed. She was talking the entire time waiting for the tow and on the way home.
Another time my tooth crown got loose and had to be replaced.
Things don't happen to me like this on normal basis, but something always bad happened when she called me, and I felt nauseous three days after.
So you see, I felt pity for E. that he had to be with her and take that constant abuse daily. Gosh was I wrong, not only he didn't feel the abuse, he was the same if not worse.
This story is so twisted my head is still spinning. But it is over. I have the whole picture now, my feelings are mostly gone, destroyed by his doing for the last two years. And I am starting to regain myself again, remembering the me from long ago, and still believing in magic, even more so. Some ppl are simply broken, like so many things in nature, and we need to accept it as part of the picture. And stay away from them, they are unfixable. We need to focus on healthy humans, on being healthy ourselves, and nurturing the good ppl in our lives.
Because they are simply dismissible. As non humans. Sometimes I had this feeling when with him, or my sister as if they weren't even in the same room. One time I was surprised that I slammed the door in Evans face and walked out the house, feeling nothing, making nothing out of it. Not caring about hurting his feelings. I was able to with clear conscience to slap him hard in his face and feel relief.
And I don't feel bad not having my sister anymore, I'm missing nothing here, because there's nothing there to miss. Dismissible. Forgettable.
George who? Seriously, I was alone all those years, I'm alone in the United States and doing so well, so well.
I Need to write about my sister. Soon. It helps.
Thanks for reading <MY FRIENDS NAME>.

xoxox
A

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12/7/15

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I still wonder if E didn't abuse his wife to the point where she snapped mentally. It seems entirely possible to me though perhaps we'll never know for sure. Still I can imagine he has abused and tortured her for all of these years. He has likely pressured and bullied her into getting many of those abortions you said she'd had -- his is a common act for spousal predators who will have unprotected sex with the victim or even state they want a new baby and then when the victim is pregnant suddenly the predator does not want the baby to a frenzied extreme. Post Abortion Syndrome (I believe this is the right term) causes massive psychological damage to the woman and it can drive some women insane. Then I imagine he has cheated on her a lot and brought home STDs a lot -- this too would make her very hateful towards other women he is sleeping with or has slept with. He has likely whittled her down through all of the psychological abuse alone to where she feels like she is nothing without him -- like she can't get anyone else, etc. This is common after long-term abuse. I can think of hundreds of reasons why he could have driven her insane. Then if she is into substance abuse too, which could very well have started as a coping mechanism/self-medicating, this too could make her quite crazy. I am sure she was never an angel (from what you've told me) but whatever she was once upon a time I think he's made her a lot worse...... I'm not suggesting you should fall into an empathy trap for her because I think she'd take full advantage of that and use it to harm you, but rarely does one of these predators in his younger years or in his hunting prime hook up in a marital "relationship" with a spousal target who is also a predator -- the only time this occurs in younger predators is when the predator has no or little experience with members of the opposite gender. A predator who does hook up with another predator in his younger years when he can produce children easily without the cost and effort of IVF is likely to leave the abusive spouse and move onto another young woman who he can make a "family" with if he finds he has chosen the first "wife" is error..... Predators who can reproduce naturally just don't have loyalty to their wives so they don't stay for years and years with an abuser unless they cannot make a new "family"..... So I posit he is getting so much supply from abusing her while he can get more supply by cheating on her that he has his cake and is eating it too. This would surely contribute to her endless downward spiral of total insanity. Who knows maybe she has or had syphilis due to all of his cheating or perhaps she cheats too as a way of trying to cope. IDK. Rarely do two predators live in a marital "relationship" together when they could move onto someone else as at least he could have years ago and even now he is in his 30's -- he can move onto someone else, proven by his ability to lure in others to cheat with. Also rarely does a woman act like she has unless that woman is being abused into insane behaviors. I have personally learned this the hard way -- when a woman acts hostile and crazy there is a reason why and it usually traces right back to the man who is abusing her. Her behavior makes you believe SHE is the problem, so you go forward with the man feeling empathy for him and the more she acts crazy the more you believe him/his stories about her -- then you learn the truth when he starts to abuse you.

In any case, I can only hope you can stay far away from both of them. He is a predator and she is out of her mind regardless of whatever she may have been in her youth before he spent so many years shredding her apart.
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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/7/15

Dear <MY FRIENDS NAME>,
This is why I wrote to you, with a secondary quiet hope that you help me figure this out.
I'll write more later, I have a meeting with a new client in an hour.
I've been back and forth, in between, taking his side, then hers, and his mothers, and I got a kick from each.
She is an alcoholic, her mother is too. At times I talked to her I liked her, we laughed sometimes, but then any minute things could change for worse. I believe she suffered abuse from him, and it's part of the reason why she acted so crazy. I have no doubt he's an abuser and a somatic predator. His facade is the opposite, he's a little cute boy next door, funny, charming, caring even.

ttyl,
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12/8/15

to Agnieszka
You truly can't be friends with her or anyone close to him regardless of the reality that she is a victim. She is not the kind of victim that anyone could ever trust. She is a victim who has gone around the bend and is losing it more every day, week, month and/or year.... I see no sign from what you've stated that she is going to wake-up to the real reality and become an asset to anyone. The victims who can be trusted are more likely to be the ones who know what they are dealing with, are spending a lot of time educating themselves on narcissism and sociopathy, and in many cases are in support groups for victims and/or speaking out about the abuse to help others. A victim who is not doing these things is a train wreck, a loose cannon and a danger to anyone vulnerable -- especially to another person who has been or is being abused by her specific predator. Being friends with her is simply dangerous.
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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/8/15

Are you kidding? I never want to be friends with someone who threatened to have me killed, and I know she meant it.
She's been abused, yes. But she's abused him too. Both are in the narc spectrum, both are 44, they've known each other since grade school. She took him in because his mother n step father didn't want him live there. She became pregnant at age 33. Sophia is 11, Ava 10.
Most of her abortions were with other men. She dated other men n nobody wanted a family with her because of her alcoholism and haughty narcissism.
She is no victim, she's a strong bitch.
He's always been afraid of her, she holds the power over him.

ttyl I'm at work now

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Sereena Nightshade <sereenanightshade@gmail.com>
12/8/15

to Agnieszka
It seems E and his wife are a rare pair then.... Extremely rare indeed. I can't help but wonder which daughter is the scapegoat or if both have somehow managed to luck out now and perpetrate abuse themselves later as golden children..... That too would be rare. Well eventually E will bring home HIV (chances are) and he'll give it to her since I'm sure they are still sleeping together from time to time even if he claims otherwise in his hook-up ads.
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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/8/15

They live in a small town all their lives, glued together, because they have no social mobility, that's one and two narcs tend to be parasitic, so they feed off of each other. It's difficult for them to find a normal person that would last long. So They use and abuse each other, entangle victims into their mix to leech off of. It would be an interesting study if somebody was doing research on how three narcissists interact. It's like being on the chaotic quantum level, where unpredictability rules. It's like leaping down the rabbit hole with no bottom. I've been there. Bounced off like a ball.
From what I know Ava is the only normal member of the family. Sophia behaves already like her parents. Ava is prettier though, so that's her only defense.
The dynamics between the two are very odd, I've seen them together once, at a market. Two narcissists looking at each other, brrrr. He looked away somewhere in the sky as if she was going to destroy him with her glare in an instant. He knew I was watching them in my car parked nearby and wiggled his butt in such a weird way to acknowledge me being there? Really weird things happen with these narcs, hardly explainable. But what is on the quantum level?

I'm very lucky I didn't contract any serious disease. I had the most common std, a parasitic infection trichonomas, carried by 7 million Americans daily. It's easily treatable with flagyl. But the thought of having been exposed to hiv is scary.

xoxox

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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/8/15

Basically, he's in a daily adoration mode, she's the prom beauty queen, she's the most beautiful woman known to men, and he's undeserving ugly asshole. That's how it was in high school, when she dated the alpha males, and they are still in high school mode dynamics. Then, no matter how much he adores her, she shoves it back with abuse, pushing his buttons. When he's had full of it, he runs to his mother, usually in the mornings and spews all his anger onto his mother, literally foaming at the mouth. I've witnessed it a few times. Once I came too late, seeing white film in the corners of his lips. Or he throws a tantrum and destroys everything. He separates for a day at his mothers, and they wait for her to come take him home. Sometimes they break up on Facebook, and then he has an excuse to cheat so he calls me or some other woman. Then he unblocked me for that time, cause I'm blocked by both of them for years now. And they make up, and over and over again. The day after wedding day he took the ring off her finger n threw it down the toilet. Then three more times.
She put him in jail a few times making up stuff on him or for destroying the house. She told me one time he destroyed their house down to the last toilet, and she had to go to shelter with kids.

And then I came along and of course I'm a threat to their happy home?

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miss elegance <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/11/15

He just posted one of the more graphic ones:
https://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cas/5317682530.html
Hope he gets the Hiv today after that.

I hope you're okay Sereena, i know you're dealing with a tough situation while he's in your life still.

I started listening to Narcissist free as you liked her vids and must say I agree with her 100% so far
like https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VVY86x1lCWw
There's no such thing as codependency, BULLSHIT
I am the strongest, most independent person i know! Always been, always will be. I wanted to help him!

Also I think I know what's going on here, Sharlene might be an inverted narc. due to long time abuse by both him and his psychopath mother. Somethings going on, he might go to jail as he posted on his wall. I don't fucking care.
It's just very difficult for me to wrap my mind around this sleazy somatic stuff that it doesn't matter who he fucks, how it's possible, n I don't really want to go there. It's too much even for the curious me.

Anyway, I am really grateful for you and your work, it opened my eyes so many times, esp in the beginning.
That's why I felt I needed to tell you this. I don't want to take your time. You are a very beautiful person inside out, and so strong, though I feel you doubt yourself sometimes, the damage shows at times, and if I could I'd give you a huge warm hug.

xoxox a
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12/11/15

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Yes of course I do doubt myself sometimes and more than that I am oftentimes too over exhausted to function. Still I know I am the victim who is speaking out about the absolute worst case scenario in a manner that is very different than most of the mainstream advice. Thus I have to drag through until I have at least completed the book and ensured it is out in print. If I do a book after this last one it'll just be letters from victims -- victims' stories.

As for the sexual perversion which is so typical of somatic predators -- alas it is nearly impossible to impossible to wrap your head around it all. In severe cases the somatic predator goes after sex simply for the stimulation and thus it does not matter if the sex partner is male, female or even an adult in some cases... The predator's willingness to have sex with both genders does not mean he/she is homosexual or lesbian -- it means he/she is seeking the stimulation and will take it from where ever it is available at any given moment. In essence there is no sexual orientation there is just sexual stimulation.

Narcissist Free has phenomenal videos . I highly recommend all of her material and have referred victims to her and to some others as well right in my last book. It really is best to take in the material from many different victims and experts in order to get the whole story since the topic of these predators is so vast. It is pretty much impossible for any one person to cover it all well enough...

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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/12/15

I cannot even imagine what you went through, <MY FRIENDS NAME>. It doesn't even compare.
I just hope you are able to break completely free one day.
One could write a thousand books on this, and talk thousands oh hours. Yet not cover it all. Everyone's experience is different and every predator different though they seem like reading from the same manual.
I agree with Narcissist Free, why isn't Complex B covered in schools at least Psychology 101? The ignorance is dangerous. I just read an article on narcissism in a polish popular magazine Polityka, and it puts the blame squarely on the shoulders of parents and their raising methods!!! unfreaking believable... and it's JUST overly self love. The narcissist stares in the mirror too much, that's it! Nothing to see here...
Lol, my sister always pushed me from sharing the mirror before church. That took a long time.
I'll write about her as promised, I just need to be more rested and have more time. I slept all day today today, n I'm still sleepy.

ttyl xoxox aa

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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/12/15

And no they don't stare in the mirror because they are in love with their image, they stare and stare because they don't know who the fuck they are staring at! They don't know who they are!
That's one thing I got from Sam Vacknin that's correct. Narcissism is an identity disorder, not a personality or character disorder, because they have none of these. They steal somebody else's identity.
My sister literally morphed into me. After I left home 17 years ago.
My mom is completely clueless. :(

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miss elegance <sooforty@icloud.com>
Attachments 12/13/15

You see, this is why I don't see Sharlene as a victim. She's posted comments as these on my FB page via different accounts, this one is of the black woman she brought with her to bully me in the coffee house in Feb. 2013, and then again in March 11, 2014. Angela was supposed to keep me from escaping.
I blocked her FB account and a few others so she uses new ones to post these vial comments.
And she has no reason to, I haven't been in contact with her, or him, or his mother for a few months now.
I attach screenshots from last night. She knows thousands of people view my page, and she's done it a few times now, usually when there's silence from me on all fronts.
I think she wants to provoke me into responding, so she can talk shit for hours again.
Oh she also blames ME for her abortion of the last baby she planned to kill from the start. How? Don't ask me to explain the narc logic.
Somethings going on, they probably fight again, maybe he beat her, to use her to fly monkey to get my attention. The comment about jail on his wall I think was to get me to call his mother to ask what's going on. Same shit I bet, I've been there already before. This time I'm not taking the bait. :)
His frantic FB activity is meant to get my attention too, I know it's fake, he's not really out of his mind missing me. He's missing his supply that's all. And he's getting none...
You see another reason I doubt she's a victim is she knows he's gay, and she's not jealous if he sleeps around. His mother told me when she's on her period she gives him to her friends, probably Missy, as they claim to be close friends. And one time when I was seeing him in the summer one night, after a long phone call with her when the car was towed, we lived very close to each other, he walked over and we met in the backyard, she suddenly called me again, knowing he was with me, she let him go have sex with me. She let him. Then it's alright, when she controls him. This is psychopathic.
He once forwarded her phone message to me, with a photo of me from Facebook. And the text was: fuck this. This means me.
You see.

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12/13/15

to miss
I'm sure he is trying to provoke you. He's had quite the frenzy of Craig's List sex postings and a somatic predator can never get enough. I imagine he hasn't found any kind of steady hook-up on the sex sites -- so he is desperate for supply plus he is decompensating to the Nth degree. He's getting older, hitting the midlife crisis time when decompensation really goes off the rail. His wife is getting the front row live-in seat to all of this so however crazy he was in the home he will now get worse and worse. However, crazy she is she'll probably find she really is no match for him due to the fact he can beat her to a pulp any time he wants to and she needs a weapon to do as much damage to him. Who knows maybe they'll kill each other -- that would be the best case scenario as long as they don't also kill the two little girls. However, nasty and messed up those little girls may be due to being raised by two nutcases they are nonetheless children who deserve at least one chance at life -- which they'll only get if they are no longer being parented by a predator, maybe two predators, in the asylum a predator ruled home truly is....
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12/13/15

He killed a cat in front of those two girls, throwing it downstairs. Yup. So they are frightened I'm sure, they saw him in action a few times, and this is why I stuck around for a bit, wanting to help him out but things got worse and worse in time. She says they love E., this is why she keeps him around. He raised them as much as he could, staying home. He can be normal too, for a period of time. I'm really lost trying to figure this out.whos the bad guy?
I'd really be curious what it's like inside their apartment on daily basis. Oh they would beat any Jerry Springer show any day, and turn it into a nightmare nobody could forget.
She could get him killed any day by her criminal brother who spends most of the time in jail, this is why he is in service mode to her, besides feeding her narc supply. They know what they need, constant adulation.

And then there this murder that occurred, and I don't want to go there either. What worries me are the images of guns on his wall lately, exactly same one that killed Brian Motyka. Two months into dating him we went to a club to meet an old friend, and Brian played there later, earlier they left to talk outside and when they came back Moe (his nickname) stared at me for a good while, smiling.
It was May 16th, five months later on October 6th, Moe was killed in drive by shooting in Detroit, 16 shots to his chest from ak47.

E. has had Missy every Wednesday, not sure if still since I sent the screenshots. He does have a steady gay lover, they meet on Tuesdays, probably in a car. He's the owner of the same cafe in which S. came twice to attack me. I'm not sure if she knew they were lovers but all blame fell on me. Shannon, his name, came to ask me what happened the following day, with other ppl in there, staring at me like I'm a whore.
He has a young black guy he sucks every so often, from Detroit. And who knows who else.

xoxox

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12/14/15

to Agnieszka
I seriously posit that between E and his wife E is far more the bad guy than she is regardless of how hard that is to believe since she is so insane... At the end of the day though both of them are dangerous and predatory at this point. The kids have been raised in this from birth and they don't know anything different. They will become so warped by the time they're adults that their fate is pretty much sealed. Any photos of weapons and whatnot he posts are typical of a predator who is low class and decompensated combined -- he is so out of control at this point he is an overt predator, which happens when they decompensate enough. Of course he can act normal from time to time -- they all can, regardless of how decompensated they get. I doubt you are a major target for being killed right now, but it'd be wise to avoid physical proximity to either of them....
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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/14/15

Probably true, you may be right as I don't trust my judgement at this point. It doesn't really matter anymore.
It's just, I've been available to her via the phone, and in person, I've been listening to her, and later apologizing. I even write a post on my wall in public with an apology to her, that he deceived me, and how etc also for the other ladies so that he doesn't use me to triangulate esp on Facebook. I broke his triangulation scheme.
I stayed away. I never asked him to move on with me, and leave his daughters, quite the opposite I told him to stay with them. Several times.
I didn't pursue him. He treated me with long silences, sometimes months.
I was never a threat.
Yet this is what I get. Since she posted again on my page my anxiety went up, skyrocketed. I've been lying in fetal position all day yesterday. :) This is the effect I have from contact with her. I'm afraid, really afraid, of both of them. After I moved out and away I'm still on their radar.
I don't know if she knows he and Shannon are lovers. I think she doesn't, and if she found out from me things could go very bad for him. See, Shannon is scared shitless avoiding me.
So E has a real motive here. I also sent those screenshots.
And wrote him a nasty email.

I got to go to a client now.

Thank you for being there for me! xoxox
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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/14/15

that was supposed to be a sad smiley :(

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miss elegance <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/18/15

So Evan decided to go over his roller decks in the morning n write me.
First message: I'm very very very very very lonley
misspelling which means he's projecting and laughing to himself
Second message: missing your embrace

He's always been using old fashioned words, don't know why

Third message: how are you?

A few hours later: sorry to bother you wish you merry Christmas and a happy new year

I'm not responding anymore. I've finally figured it out yesterday night after I saw NF video, she had a similar situation with a narc on down low, and I conclude he's not either straight or gay like you said, it just took the time to sink in and it makes sense they don't have a sexual orientation really cause you need a functioning brain for it and they don't. Sexual orientation is in the brain and has nothing to do with genitals, which only tell you gender.  So if their brains are messed up, so is their sexuality. Am I right?

I hope you're doing good <MY FRIENDS NAME>.
I'm trying to clean up after painters today. The painting will not be finished up until Christmas.. poor kiddies. That woman is a vicious nutcase.
xoxox
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12/18/15

to miss
You're right -- with the extreme example of the somatic predator it is all about stimulating the genitals and what gender or age of prop he uses to stimulate is really meaningless -- he will use anything or anyone as long as he thinks he can get away with doing it. He is really neither gay or straight --- he is simply seeking stimulation on his penis and other parts which are relevant to him. He has no capacity to hone in one one gender or age range just as he has no capacity to feel warm emotions towards a partner.

It's good you're ignoring him. That is really the only quality response.
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12/18/15

to miss
Here is another good one by Narcissist Free: https://youtu.be/Srwmv6ZiwGE
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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/18/15

The sound is not on in this video. Might be my phone too. I usually listen to videos while at work on my phone and headphones.
That's how I listened to yours. :)

I'm literally wanting to puke all the time now after this nasty reptile was in me all these years.
I was so relieved thinking he's just gay in closet, trying to create cover. Much better than a psychopath, and now it's even worse than I thought. And so sad. I'm feeling just sick all the time. Since she wrote that comment, but it was worse talking to her, I was sick for days.
It seems like they work together. He even cowrote that comment with her because of the word wonderful. That was was he used in idealization some time ago. A wonderful ditty slut?? Sharkene wouldn't put it that way.

It is all so creepy makes me want to vomit. And explains everything, why he has sex with his mother or interest in little boys.. sick sick sick!!!

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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/19/15

And so here goes the usual hoovering after long periods of time of silence. Happened hundreds of times since 2011. As if no time passed at all.
I did write him once yesterday with holiday wishes, because I don't want him to get paranoid and think I hate him. And so he doesn't kill me. Yep.
This ofc made him think I'm up for grabs.

xox

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From: <EMOTION DETECTIVE'S MARRIED X BF'S NAME AND EMAIL> wrote:
Date: December 19, 2015 at 2:32:14 PM EST
To: Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: aww

I feel lonely and miss you
hope you are doing well take care of yourself I should not bother you especially since I only would complicate
.

On Saturday, December 19, 2015, <EMOTION DETECTIVE'S MARRIED X BF'S NAME AND EMAIL> wrote:
Could we talk ?

On Saturday, December 19, 2015, <EMOTION DETECTIVE'S MARRIED X BF'S NAME AND EMAIL> wrote:
I'm documented clean and ready to ravage you if you wish Just for you I have been with no one but for you I'm ready I miss you !

On Saturday, December 19, 2015, <EMOTION DETECTIVE'S MARRIED X BF'S NAME AND EMAIL> wrote:

OK I go now.

On Saturday, December 19, 2015, <EMOTION DETECTIVE'S MARRIED X BF'S NAME AND EMAIL> wrote:
:
You must be busy with your boy friend

On Saturday, December 19, 2015, <EMOTION DETECTIVE'S MARRIED X BF'S NAME AND EMAIL> wrote:
Can I see you ?

On Saturday, December 19, 2015, <EMOTION DETECTIVE'S MARRIED X BF'S NAME AND EMAIL> wrote:
:/

On Saturday, December 19, 2015, <EMOTION DETECTIVE'S MARRIED X BF'S NAME AND EMAIL> wrote:
Or do breakfast ?

On Saturday, December 19, 2015, <EMOTION DETECTIVE'S MARRIED X BF'S NAME AND EMAIL> wrote:
Can I come over and hug you please !

On Saturday, December 19, 2015, <EMOTION DETECTIVE'S MARRIED X BF'S NAME AND EMAIL> wrote:
Cuddle  we should .

On Saturday, December 19, 2015, <EMOTION DETECTIVE'S MARRIED X BF'S NAME AND EMAIL> wrote:
Wanna cudle ?

On Friday, December 18, 2015, Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com> wrote:
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and all the many New Years to come! 🎊

On Dec 18, 2015, at 5:37 AM, <EMOTION DETECTIVE'S MARRIED X BF'S NAME AND EMAIL> wrote:

Sorry to bother Merry Christmas and Happy new Year

On Friday, December 18, 2015, <EMOTION DETECTIVE'S MARRIED X BF'S NAME AND EMAIL> wrote:
I am very veey very very very lonley
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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
12/20/15

I m again having trouble sleeping, so I write .. I hope I'm not bothering you too much. I used to throw everything at my friend but he left to Chicago this fall for grad school. We planned to leave together but I didn't go yet.
So there's one thing that is weird, I mentioned it in the beginning, and that is the telepathy. Basically we can hear each other's thoughts... but only those directed towards each other, not any other. I can sense when he's crying sometimes too. I can switch it off if I want to, if I don't want to receive it which for the last couple months. I've never experienced it with anyone else, and probably won't. He knows about it too, that I can receive his messages, because his mother told me, which then confirmed its real.
I finally decided to tell you because something changed lately, after my stonewalling, trying to shut it down.
His thoughts are pretty simple, they are always short and fleeting. It's been going on for three years and most of the time it's been: I love you. Repeated a thousand times. Sometimes a hundred a day. It would come all of a sudden, surprising me. He said it's therapeutic. But still doesn't stop him from behaving in a narc way.
The last year it was different a bit, varied a little. I heard: I love HER. Not directed at me, but to himself, I still could hear it. Then he added: you are wonderful. Repeated many times.

You see, it goes against our belief that they can't love, yet I know he does. Somewhere on a soul level, or maybe he's not that broken, just enough to love?

There one more possibility. What if he is simply voided out, rendered void by his psychopathic mother who used him sexually for years, and the reason he offers his sexual services is because he was made believe this is the only thing of value to him, one thing his parent sees good about him, one desirable aspect.

It's probably not the case, but there are many options, a lot of mental disorders, borderline is one, etc etc.
I really don't want to be with him, it's too hard. But the telepathy is real. Today I heard more, like: I don't care, and even screw you! Lol

xoxoxox

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miss elegance <sooforty@icloud.com>
​1/4/16

I guess you saw on my FB that I'm on the autism spectrum. People usually stop talking to me at this point, magically disappearing. Well I'm fully functional, with high IQ, and some sensory problems, and full emotional spectrum including empathy. Too much of it. I get stuck in people reading them beyond the surface and then get hurt very deeply. Sometimes I'll say something insensitive but never a lie with an intention to hurt, never. That's the difference.
I'm in an extremely difficult situation and coping isn't easy. I've been mourning three closest people, I'm not dealing with it as well as I make myself think.
Anyway, if you don't want to continue, I know you have your own problems. All you had to say is thank you and that's it, no more email.

Bye <MY FRIENDS NAME>.. and tell Narcissist Free I said hello.

xo
Agnieszka

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to miss
I think many of the spousal victims of covert predators are somewhere in the autism spectrum yet with high IQ's and an over abundance of warm empathy etc. That spectrum is really huge, actually.... Add to this many of the victims are empaths, which may place one into the autism spectrum in and of itself and may be a nice term of being in the spectrum. I truly think you need to move as far away from your predators as you possibly can and do your best to rebuild your life. As long as you stay close to your predators they will destroy you -- if you continue looking at what they're doing online or elsewhere it will eat you up inside. I know how difficult it is to turn one's back and walk away never to look back, but I've got a line in some of my poems that says "Don't look back, something's coming" -- or something like that. It is a cliche of course -- not very original, yet it is so very true. The predators are behind you -- they will always be behind you -- no matter where you go or what you do what they've done to you will forever be branded into your body and mind, yet you can flee from it all as you do not have any minor common children with any of the predators. The lack of minor common children means you can make yourself truly free -- you just have to doggedly work out an escape plan, put the funds together and run away. Since the last predator has allowed you to live this long and you have no children with him he will more than likely continue to let you live ---- he will simply keep doing all the perverted sick things he does, he will continue luring in sex partners from all over, maybe he will end up with AIDS, but there is no tie that binds him to you beyond your value as a target to recycle so he will let you go in the end....

As for me, I've been really swamped with work and other insanity here <INFO THAT SUPPORTS MY FRIEND AS THE VICTIM AND THE PERSON SHE TALKS ABOUT HERE STATES IN COUR T DOCS THEY MET FACE2FCE MAYBE 3 OR 4 TIMES AND NOTHING HAPPENED. SO THERE IS NO REASON TO CAUSE ISSUES FOR THE REAL VICTIM W/ANY MISUNDERSTANDINGS.> Anyway, I need to get ready for work.... Try to hold on and plot your escape. You still have a future ahead of you.
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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
​​​1/5/16

:)
I'll write more later. Thank you!
xoxox

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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
​​1/5/16

I just saw a guy drop his gun on the floor sitting next to me at Starbucks. He saw I noticed, got up and walked outside talking casually on the phone, while I gathered my stuff and went to drive home, and told one employee about it who was walking in as I was walking out.
My thoughts ran to Paris attacks and I think we should avoid public cafes for a while, maybe some nutcase will want to emulate it.
I'm getting a Bluetooth keyboard Friday to type faster on my iPad. I spilled coffees on my two laptops this year and drowned a cellphone in the toilet, and got a C in a class I was taking n I'm an A student. All when discovering NPD. So I have no laptop right now, just an iPad, typing sucks on it.
I'll be able to write faster n more comfortably this weekend, hopefully.
I promise to respond to all your points.

xoxoxox xoxoxox :)

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miss elegance <sooforty@icloud.com>
Attachments 1/8/16

This is a Message for me, im overly sensitive. And im just a pussy to him in reality. Hey good to know.
Missy is an owl, wherever he posts something about owls it's for her, cause to him she looks like an owl.
See how his mind works. People are objects. He calls cops Badges. He calls his own genitals a unit. Etc.
But he's clueless there's not going to be me in his life in 2016.

I ordered the keyboard on eBay so I'll write more when I get it.

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MY FRIENDS NAME <MY FRIENDS EMAIL>
1/8/16

to miss
It is quite normal for the predator to view others are objects for his own use. It is also normal for him to have no clue about the reality that others have emotions linked to what is done to their body parts, etc.

I completed the final small corrections on my Pre-Book and A Victim's Guide to Surviving the Narcissist/Sociopath Updated today. Hopefully I'll get to see another book galley later today or early tomorrow so I can approve it. There will still be typos and remaining errors in the book when it does go into print as I truly do not have the time to make it ideal -- but the book talks about the worst case scenario with a predator in a manner I have not seen any others' material begin to cover. Then there are references to other authors and material creators who can fill in the gaps or clarify the remainder of the reality. I don't know how many people will read the book as well and I can only struggle to buy time I don't have to do corrections on a book I posit few will review...
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I'll be honored to write a review of your book, since I'm very into this subject, with three narcs in my life.
I will need your advice about my sister, what to do. She's going to be connected to me forever, and my moms in the middle. I'll write about her when I'm done with these two, it can wait a bit since she lives across the ocean.
I'm really tired today, just had an encounter with my narc client, she finally bought a new Miele vacuum. I'm thinking also if to approach her husband at some point to figure if he needs help not risking my job there.

And all that planning my great escape! :) I still need to respond to your other emails.

xoxoxox

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to Agnieszka
If your sister is either a narcissist/sociopath/narcopath or a Flying Monkey for one all you can do is maintain no contact with her.  Regarding the husband of a narcissist employer -- it is wise to consider him a Flying Monkey and never confide in him. Then in regards to the book -- hopefully it is out in print soon. When it is you'll be able to find it on all major online bookstores, including Amazon and Barnes and Nobel. It'll also be available in paperback, hardback and ebook form.
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Hey I'll give you an idea for the next book! How about America The Most Psychopathic Nation in the World?
There's some truth to it, you just need to dig out some scientific research or conduct it yourself.
You will no doubt be surprised by the results.


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to Agnieszka
LOL! Actually the USA does reward narcissistic and sociopathic behavior to an extreme and it is one of the most openly narcissistic/sociopathic nations in the world as well as one of the worst for spousal victims. I harp on this reality quite a bit in the book I hope to see in print soon.
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to Agnieszka
The title of the soon to be out if all goes well book: <BOOK TITLE>

The cover photo is the same as <OTHER BOOK>.

Anyway, this book is the meg mother-load of the sickest stuff in the worst case scenario with the covert spousal predator. I hurled this book together over about a two week time frame around early-mid Feb 2015. It is guaranteed to open any one's eyes (not the predator's or the Flying Monkeys' though as they're hopeless) complete with mind banging repetition to drill in the reality.
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miss elegance <sooforty@icloud.com>
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Sereena, do you have a contact to Narcissist Free, her email or #?
I'd like to talk to her, I know exactly how she feels. The pain is unfathomable. I've been there, still am.

Thnx, Agnes

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to miss
I don't have her contact information. She has posted a post-meltdown video though. Two of them:

https://youtu.be/FEufabcJUZ4

https://youtu.be/tjVEk02cyME
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Agnieszka Anna <sooforty@icloud.com>
1/11/16

I know, thanks, I've watched them. I guess I'll have to create an account and start posting comments, adding to the discourse on this very important issue. I'm thinking of starting a little blog and write my story, don't think I'll want to do videos, I'm not good at talking and my social skills you know, the autism thing.
Instead of dumping everything on one person who may not really be interested that much, dealing with her own problems ... aka Sereena.. ;)
But yeah, umm this is like another yet twist to the narcissistic abuse when u find out your guy has been having sex with men. You realize his dick has been in men's asses and then your clean vagina, maybe the same day even. His lips wrapped around dirty dicks and then you kissed him, maybe that same day.
And then you're jealous that what he really wanted was men's ass holes that could only satisfy him, and you realize you could never give him what he needed, though you tried everything to make him happy and gave him your whole life, while all it was for him was a cover, maintenance benefits, etc.
Alteration of reality, yet one more time. More complex PTSD. I've watched this video by a new guy you liked, 50 symptoms, and yes I have them all. Wow, didn't think I had a CPTSD, I do.
But I've been healing this past year, I've started taking care of my life and my body, improving my financial situation. I make $20 an hour and don't pay taxes, so I'm saving a bunch. I'm so proud of myself, working every day long hours, sometimes less, clients cancel, holidays etc, bad weather.

xoxox
Aa
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Oh and then you get abused by one of his lovers. If what I went through with her abuse wasn't enough.
The cafe owner had been hostile for no reason, which I thought was a result of rumours, her smear campaign. But it added to my anxiety, thought I was going crazy. I've hurt no one, I'm the goodest person you will ever meet, the kindest, the most giving and generous, I am. On the morality scale way high up there, and yet I get into a situation where I'm hated so much, so much hostility dumped by so many people, viciously, relentlessly, that I fear for my life.
And then the loveliest little cafe I attended for three years, the place we had the first date at- yes he took me to his lover's coffee house on a date, and probably had some sick supply out of it, too. And that place was my home almost, and then it's taken away from me permanently. I can't enter that place ever again.

Oh there's more. Then I think of all the sex we had and everything explains itself, why he acted the way he did. Much to say on that, how he loved doggy position, he even made comments on it, and how he was when we did it first time. Animal like screaming when he came that way. I couldn't see his face, but it was like whoah..
etc.
I've stopped looking at his FB and CL, since he posted pics with a cock ring and an pink ass plug and pink lace panties on. I can't take it anymore.

In a way this gay stuff helped me close this, and move on faster than if I didn't know. It hurts like hell, at first, but then it's over soon.

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miss elegance <sooforty@icloud.com>
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NF needs help and I think I can help her. She needs to stand on her own feet like I did. You see George covered all my expenses for about ten years, I am ashamed of that decade now. But I thought I loved him, and secondly I was afraid to stand on my own feet being here illegally. Today I see this relationship as sponsorship with benefits, aka prostitution. I lost myself, my purpose, belief in myself, etc.
He paid for my school, I graduated magna cum laude with a BFA in 2003, and tuition which was international fees totaled around $50k alone, so I thought who pays this kind of money and doesn't really love that person, right? He supported me till about 2010, from 2000. I didn't do much afterwards, till July 2010 when I ended up in Hamtramck, he was broke thanks to gambling addiction, and I ended up almost homeless, so I ended up finding local immigrant cleaning companies to basically survive. It was a boot camp, but today I'm much stronger, I'll tell on the blog maybe, but you see that's a lot of private information, I'm not sure.
Anyhow, I'm glad I'm independent, should have done that a long time ago, circa 2004 instead of spending my time in movie theaters or browsing Internet. I did some graphic design, web design, had a small eBay store selling some home goods, but mostly I relied on him. It was basic help that covered basics, he didn't spoil me, but he also bought three cars for me to drive, including the one I'm driving now.
Are you sure he's a narc? I have no doubt, to him money is no object, or an object. He'll make more. He made 10k a month at Chrysler while I was going to school. But then his gambling addiction kicked in and he ended up losing everything, again, probably 77th time in his life, and kidnapped in Africa in 2005, FBI found him in Ghana.
So yeah, he's now acting as if I robbed him, because he's old and broke. I met with him to close my financial issues before the holidays, and returned the cell phone he gave me and then asked for it back, but then a few days later when he started putting on his charm I had it and went off on him, revealing that I know who he really is, and that I'm shocked he kept it hidden for 15 years I've known him, not including the nanny year.
He blocked my number. As if that's an injury of some sort not be able to reach him, he's convinced!
I am grateful for what he did, but I also lost a lot of time, my young years I will never get back. :(
And then I met Evan, when I was homeless and down and out, you name it. I lived in his ruin of a house for a while, I told the story from that point.

So NF needs to know she can survive in her situation and become strong. She needs to go on care.com, I have an account there, it's where I get my clients or they find me, and start applying for jobs once she completes her profile. They do require a background check but maybe it won't show stuff from years ago.
Some people don't ask for background check. She can find jobs babysitting, house cleaning, house keeping, pet sitting, personal assistant, etc. etc.
Yes it's hard work, but it will give her a boost of self confidence.
If care.com doesn't work right away, then there are many polish companies in Chicago, or small cleaning services looking for people to hire, and they never do background checks.
Here is an online link:
http://polishinfo.us/listing-category/sprzatania-cleaning-jobs/

That's where I'll probably start once I'm ready to move to Chicago. And it's no question, I've been there in May last year to celebrate my 40th birthday, and picked up the polish gazette Dziennik Zachodni. She can find the newspaper in polish part of town Jackowo in grocery stores, and they have fresh ads daily.

Peace Out! :)
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to miss
I think NF may have major remaining medical issues that will make physical labor very difficult for her, but yes she will have to re-enter to workplace in some kind of position. Her predator won't give her a choice really as his aim is to stop supporting her.

As for the predator who sponsored you and paid for your education here in the USA -- I would not view that as a loan if I were you since he lovefrauded you, led you to believe he wanted to be with you/have you as his spouse, etc. and it was all a LIE. He even entered into his relationship with you by raping you, hijacking the emotional center of your brain, manipulating you with his constant on-going deception, etc. What he paid to support you and for your education is simply his restitution in my mind.

I don't think telling your story is too personal -- it could help victims who have reasonable physical health gain hope for their futures. Is there any way you can become legal here and get a job using your degree?? You deserve whatever increase in income and stable income you could get by doing this....
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The only way for me to become legal at this point is marriage to a US citizen. There's no other way, and I'm deportable, and if deported I face a ban to re-enter the country forever. All thanks to predator #1. When my student visa couldn't be renewed in 2004 since I graduated, and my Optional Practical Training application was lost or never sent by USCIS, my F1 visa expired. He promised to help me once his divorce is final from his wife he was separated from. She lives in Virginia, and he's got kids with her, all grown up now. He never meant to divorce her, he's still married to her, and has a daughter with another woman. I knew the situation was complicated and I really didn't count on him. I should have left at that point, maybe return to Poland. He would lie to me and say repeatedly he's in the middle of divorce, or has to go thru some process with IRS because he'd lose the house in Virginia, etc. All lies of course. I didn't trust him much after 2005, when he got involved in African 419 scams and got kidnapped, and in 2006 I moved to a different city.
I knew he had a head problem but didn't know what exactly that was. Now I do. He also lied about wanting a baby, now I think he had a vasectomy soon after his youngest daughter I was a nanny for a year. She's now 17, and started college in September at University of Michigan. That's what we talked about mostly when I met with him. He knew I lost my status and he could simply keep lying and he didn't have to marry me for me to be around. I did try to date, but the first guy asked me for 100k to marry him... Yup, so I gave up, and I was afraid to approach men with this problem, still do. When I told Evan, he told his mother and his mother told Sharlene, so she immediately launched a campaign for them to get married. She told him to break contact with me, and half a year later they were married in April 2012. If not me, she wouldn't marry him, she always thought he didn't deserve her, and suddenly there she was marrying him. She said he begged her to marry him... Which may as well be true too. It was the thing I needed badly and he knew how much supply and psychological shock it would do to me, and it did. After he was telling me for months what a monster she is, how much she drinks with kids around, about her abortions, her mistreatment of him, etc. He wrote long emails about it, played back her drunk screaming on the phone, him and his mother. How I was the good girl with no bad bone in my body, as he described me to his mother on the first meeting.
How he's moving from the bad girl to the good girl. Marriage didn't enter their relationship for seven years since the first kid, but suddenly it became the thing they wanted. She shoved it in my face when she came to the cafe the first time, and the second time she came to shove the pregnancy. The only reason she did those two things, to hurt ME. Both of them are malignant narcissists, no doubt. I think the reason he chose her was that she was constantly drunk almost every day, so he could do what he wanted, since she cared about drinking, spending long hours in local bars and there are about 20 within 2 miles radius. He complained about it to me, that he was raising the girls alone, her at work during the day and in bars in the evenings.
This is why I fell for him even deeper, and wanted to be there for him emotionally, which she wasn't. See?
Her narcissism overshadowed his by far and beyond. I didn't see his AT ALL. I still thought the marriage was all her. Until about a year ago, after I suspected he was the one to slash my tires at her request, to prove something to her. She was obsessed with hatred on me, vicious hatred, such enormous negative energy that caused me burns, fell crowns, broken car, slashed tires, emotional trauma, smear campaign in this little town, etc.
But now I'm glad. That would have been a disaster if I married him, legally, mentally, emotionally, etc.

As to NF, if I were her, I wouldn't want his dirty money and would do everything to get independent and support myself. Actually moving and working would help with whatever physical problems she has, she's still young and the body heals, especially when you work out. I'd start with babysitting, which is easier.
It's about pure survival, I really have no one, and have to pay bills, and will never rely on anyone, even my future husband. Never again.

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You are a narcissist just like Sam Vaknin! Ha!
You see, you have shown me zero empathy from the beginning. That is ONE single thing that you or Sam Vaknin are not capable of intellectually understanding. Everything else is copiable, imitable, fakable.
O wow. You see there's no such thing as subpar people. We all have problems of one sort or another. Our brains are so complex that they are prone to having dysfunctions, deficiencies, etc. It's nature, it's not perfect. To call someone subpar is a show of contempt, a hallmark of a narcissist.
You misinterpreted most of the things I said, all coincidentally into the negative, another hallmark of a narcissist. I didn't contact you to give me money, I'm making my own, but that obviously is upmanship, even though I clean toilets, and scrubbing someone else's floors, all the while not having the security and dignity of life along with US citizens, being on the verge of deportation every single day.
No, I'm up manning you. Lol.
Emotionally clingy? I offered you friendship, that's all, nothing more, nothing else. But good ol friendship sups energy from you!
So is there anything I could say or do to make you like me and be my friend? Maybe only if I were a down and out victim, with medical problems, severe disabilities, etc etc so that you could feel good about yourself? That's the third hallmark of a narcissist.
You lied on top of everything about having no contact to Narcissist Free. Her videos prove that you two communicate.  But you do not want the more the merrier, the happy friendships, that would make you miserable if other victims connected, having something so huge in common. No, so you lie.

If I was being clingy, needy, etc and taking too much time then why didn't you simply state that? I would understand, and all I wanted to do was to thank you. That's it. It is you who sent me long responses, within minutes. That wasn't sapping your energy??? Hmm...
I'm thinking, you are either a severely damaged individual after much abuse, for which I am truly sorry and empathizing with you, I'd call it a Naturalized Narcissist.
Or you are a natural born Narcissist. Who wants to sell books just like Sam Vaknin. And no, he's not handsome, he's revolting.
If the second hypothesis is true, then it is evidence that some Narcissists are self aware.

Thank you <MY FRIENDS NAME>,
Xoxoxoxox

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to miss
Eh? I can only guess this email from you is a response to my video about being sapped? That video was not about you -- that video was and still is about a man I let into my life for some months (in person dating and thus I know it was not you with total certainty)... I am however what I refer to as a flat affect victim and thus I show no emotion when others would and/or when it is expected as a normal human reaction.
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Sure.. the crazy making is your forte too. And passive aggression.
Somehow you found the time and energy to instantly contact me, while putting me into silent treatment for weeks prior to that.
You made this whole story up in your latest video.

Oh I've done extensive research on you guys, I'm an expert to know you are a narcissist. My sister is one and you're exactly like her, maybe a bit more intelligent.

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to Agnieszka
Oh dear. You truly need to take some time to process yourself -- process the recent events and why you would conclude the video or any of this was about you.. You are demonstrating extreme narc abuse damages right now. The video was and is not about you. I do not see how you are the man< PRIVATE INFO REMOVED SINCE THE COURT DOCS SAY THERE WAS FACE2FACE CONTACT 3-4 X AND NOTHING HAPPENED UNTIL THE PERP WHO WAS THEN STALKING DIDNT GET WHAT HE WANTED> -- if he somehow catfished me while we were in contact (i.e. if he was seeing me in person while he also created the online profile of a female victim and contacted me tricking me into thinking you existed while it was really him all along) then you would be the predator not me (i.e. catfishing is a sick betrayal). However, I do not believe for one moment you are him...

I went no contact with you because I am a victim too.<PRIVATE INFO TAKEN OUT AND IT ONLY SUPPORTS MY FRIEND AS A VICTIM> This and reasons linked to this are why I have refrained from becoming a life coach for victims -- why I have refrained from accepting money from victims to life coach them on the topic of predator and I do it for free instead. It is because I cannot be fully reliable due to my circumstances and thus I cannot life coach as a career.....

I went no contact with you if this is what you call it because I am half dead and abused myself (physically half dead). Thus in truth I did not go no contact with you at all. I just can't always be there for others -- if I could I'd do this as a career and get paid for it though I'd still help some for free (i.e. those who cannot pay)....I made all the videos and placed them on public status plus did not put the ads that would pay me on them to help all those who could not pay for books as well as for an immediate education source for those just waking up to their horrific reality as abuse victims...

I created the material I have created, the massive amount of it at the time I did and under the circumstances I created it under (i.e. instead of waiting until I could do a better job) because I am a victim too and I wanted to give as much as I could while I could because I am losing my own world and life here..... Etc.

Sam Vaknin is a man in perfect physical health, he lives a comfortable life (beyond that), he is the co-ruler within his home, he has no minor children, etc. There is no comparison in reality -- but again you can believe whatever you want to believe. While Sam Vaknin has nigh book sales my total revenue from all my books averages $50 to $70 per quarter (that is a payment of this amount or less four times per year). Money from books was never my agenda -- this amount does not begin to pay me for what it costs to create the books much less what it costs me to write a book while in my situation... Etc. So while victims are buying Sam's books they are not buying mine as victims do not have the marketability of a predator.

There is no other response I can provide to your allegations so if you continue to accuse me of things I will likely not respond. Reality is simply the polar opposite of what you state though I accept that not everyone can or wants to see the truth (i.e. why I wrote so much of the worst case scenario and no it is not being murdered directly because that would mean you're Hell on earth would end and you could be in peace in the afterlife).... Being accused of everything imaginable and more than you could probably fathom is the norm for victims in the worst case scenario (i.e. victims with common minor children) -- so it is really no big deal to me. Dig in if you wish. I have little to nothing more to say on the topic...

If you wish to continue to believe otherwise you may.
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to Agnieszka
P.S. I found the energy to instantly contact you because if you'll notice the pattern I have recently started making some videos again -- there were no new videos for quite a while there... Because I got rid of him, dumped him, a little while ago <COURT TESTIMONY PROVES THERE WAS NO SEX RELATIONSHIP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT INVOLVED HERE>  and am now slowly beginning to try to get back on top of things as much as I can. However, again I have not accepted the offers to have people pay me money for life coaching and profiling their abusive predators because I can NOT be reliable in this regard -- as I too am a victim and I am half dead. Due to this I must work at low paying jobs and not earn enough money to survive while I consistently turn down offers of money for life coaching services to victims who can pay me....

There are people who can assist victims and accept money for it as they are no longer in the war zone. These therapists are available on a solid reliable basis: https://youtu.be/-WCS49O07vc
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THIS IS THE VID ABOUT THE RAT THE STALKER KILLED RIGHT THERE IN THE EMAIL FROM 1/24/2016. THIS IS NOT THE DATE MY FRIEND GOT HER PETS.
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